2010 07 04 ITALY AM ENG MORNING WALK
Śrīla Nārāyaṇa Gosvāmī Mahārāja: Where is Mahārāja?
Śrīpāda Mādhava Mahārāja: Which Mahārāja?
Brajanātha dāsa: Late Mahārāja.
Śrīpāda Mādhava Mahārāja: Padmanābha.
Śrīla Nārāyaṇa Gosvāmī Mahārāja: No.
Śrīpad Nemi Mahārāja: Sun hasn't come up yet.
Śrīla Nārāyaṇa Gosvāmī Mahārāja: Why you are sitting there? You should come here.
Śrīpāda Mādhava Mahārāja: Nemi has (said) sun has not come up yet so Padmanābha is not coming.
Śrīpad Nemi Mahārāja: Kṛṣṇa comes then Lord Caitanya and then here is the ācāryas. So, each time ācāryas are coming and performing same pastimes after Lord Caitanya? Same, like same sequence of ācāryas?
In every brahmāṇḍa Mahāprabhu appears, Kṛṣṇa appears, once in a day of Brahmā. After Mahāprabhu so many ācāryas are coming. Every time the same ācāryas are coming? These pastimes are similar in…?
Śrīla Nārāyaṇa Gosvāmī Mahārāja: In where is it written?
Śrīpad Nemi Mahārāja: No, I am asking you.
Śrīla Nārāyaṇa Gosvāmī Mahārāja: Whether they will same come…they are not incarnation. So, I can not tell anywhere…I have not seen it. Rāmānuja will come or in (indistinct), or no Rāmānuja, no Madhvācārya. What will be?
Śrīpad Nemi Mahārāja: And what about you Gurudeva?
Śrīpāda Mādhava Mahārāja: His question is like: after Mahāprabhu came (others came like) (indistinct) ṭhākura ṭhākura…Narottama Ṭhākura, Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura…
Śrīpad Nemi Mahārāja: My Guru Mahārāja, you Gurudeva…
Śrīpāda Mādhava Mahārāja: All will come like this or there is some change? This is his main question.
Śrīla Nārāyaṇa Gosvāmī Mahārāja: Ācārya?
Śrīpāda Mādhava Mahārāja: Mahāprabhu line…
Śrīpad Nemi Mahārāja: Our ācārya; your ācārya.
Śrīla Nārāyaṇa Gosvāmī Mahārāja: That is also not written anywhere. I have not read in Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura's explanation, in his books, anywhere.
Brajanātha dāsa: But Nṛsiṁhadeva will come.
Śrīla Nārāyaṇa Gosvāmī Mahārāja: These are out questions.
Brajanātha dāsa: Out of question. Out of question.
Devotee: Oh, Gurudeva. In Jaiva-Dharma Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura sometimes mentions names of Mahāprabhu's associates (who were) not necessarily present in this līlā when Mahāprabhu came. So, from different kalpas or…? Some names…?
Śrīla Nārāyaṇa Gosvāmī Mahārāja: This is also not written anywhere. We can not say.
Devotee: But is Mahāprabhu always coming in the same (indistinct)…
Brajanātha dāsa: Yes, that is written.
Śrīpāda Mādhava Mahārāja: When Kṛṣṇa appeared, just after Him, in Kali-yuga, Mahāprabhu will come.
Devotee: Mahā-bhāgavata (indistinct) every time?
Devotee: I've heard from many speakers that when the jīvātmā goes to brahma-sāyujya he can come back down but if he goes to Īśvara sāyujya then the soul is…
Brajanātha dāsa: …annihilated…
Devotee: …finished, annihilated. But I have also heard from Bhagavad-gītā that the soul can never be destroyed. So, I am confused on this point.
Śrīla Nārāyaṇa Gosvāmī Mahārāja: In a special case any brahma-sāyujya may come. As Gopa-Kumara we see. He went there but not mixed. At once flew away from there. So, like this we can…but for others as you are telling.
(Śrīpāda Mādhava Mahārāja Hindi aside with Śrīla Nārāyaṇa Gosvāmī Mahārāja)
Śrīla Nārāyaṇa Gosvāmī Mahārāja: It may be. Who has come from Īśvara sāyujya? Can you say?
Devotee: Is Īśvara sāyujya real or only imagination?
(Śrīpāda Mādhava Mahārāja Hindi aside with Śrīla Nārāyaṇa Gosvāmī Mahārāja)
Śrīpāda Mādhava Mahārāja: Not imagination. Then what will come there? Īśvara sāyujya is more dangerous than brahma-sāyujya.
Devotees aside: (because soul is annihilated).
Devotee: Gurudeva, then they say that as long as the jīva is not delivered Gurudeva comes again and again to deliver him.
Brajanātha dāsa: Yes.
Devotee: So, now our Gurudeva our mood here is (indistinct) and in the next life, or any other life, when Gurudeva comes back to deliver (does Gurudeva have) the same mood as Gurudeva because all different Gurus have different different moods toward Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa. So, Gurudeva…
Brajanātha dāsa: Āśrama Mahārāja…this question was asked three days ago.
Śrīla Nārāyaṇa Gosvāmī Mahārāja: What telling?
Āśrama Mahārāja: He is saying that when Guru is coming back to deliver the disciple is it that same manifestation of Guru? Because different personalities will have some speciality of mood.
Devotee: Yea, as Gurudeva his now mood so, with his mood is giving me something. This soul is not delivered in this life; in next life I am again born. So, Gurudeva comes always to deliver him until he comes back. So, my question is: is Gurudeva's manifestation the same mood or what? In the same mood he comes?
Āśrama Mahārāja: So, he is saying, "Is it the same mood?" Śrīla Gurudeva, he has explained that those Gurus who follow the line of Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī, rūpānugas, then they have that same loving mood in serving Śrī Śrī Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa. So, even though that same manifestation may not come, but as long as one is in that mood of serving Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī then that same mood will be…
Śrīla Nārāyaṇa Gosvāmī Mahārāja: (to the devotee who asked the question) Are you satisfied?
Brajanātha dāsa: …with the answer…
Śrīla Nārāyaṇa Gosvāmī Mahārāja: …with the answer?
Devotee: Yea. Mood of Gurudeva (is) what I say. Our Gurudeva is his mood, you know.
Āśrama Mahārāja: But now…
Devotee: I am not delivered in this life. All can not be delivered in the same life.
Āśrama Mahārāja: Mood means…what is the mood in serving in sākhya, vātsalya, mādhurya, and specifically in (the) line of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu (and) Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī those who are rūpānugas. This is that mood. Now, if it is that specific personality who is coming, what Śrīpāda Mādhava Mahārāja has said the other day, he said that if one is simple and by that simplicity they have attachment to a specific manifestation of guru tattva then that specific manifestation will come back for them.
Devotee: What's the meaning of kāma gāyatrī?
Śrīla Nārāyaṇa Gosvāmī Mahārāja: Who? Not in mass.
Brajanātha dāsa: Private. In private.
Śrīla Nārāyaṇa Gosvāmī Mahārāja: You should come after taking bath and then…
Brajanātha dāsa: In public don't…this is not to be disclosed. You have taken dīkṣā?
Śrīpāda Mādhava Mahārāja: Yes. Yes (he has taken).
Devotee: Gurudeva, in Jaiva-Dharma the Guru of Premadāsa Mahāśaya Bābājī served Nṛsiṁhadeva. Why (did) he serve Nṛsiṁhadeva (indistinct) Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa.
Devotees: (aside) Pradyumna Brahmacārī.
Śrīla Nārāyaṇa Gosvāmī Mahārāja: But his aim is Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa.
Śrīpāda Mādhava Mahārāja: His aim is also Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa (but) He is living in Devapallī, where Nṛsiṁhadeva, place of Nṛsiṁhadeva. So, we have to give honor. Like we are doing bhajana of Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa but we are also doing (the songs of Nṛsiṁhadeva) but our (aim) is also Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa. In the same way.
Śrīla Nārāyaṇa Gosvāmī Mahārāja: Like (indistinct) svāmī. His rūpa (guru?) said there was Nṛsiṁhadeva but to make goal was Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa prema. That is why he has done commentary on Śrīmad Bhāgavatam. We, so many persons, we do the japa of Nṛsiṁhadeva only to vighna-nāśa.
Brajanātha dāsa: To remove the obstacles.
Śrīla Nārāyaṇa Gosvāmī Mahārāja: Understand? Only to vighna-nāśa. But ultimate goal is Mahāprabhu's line Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa prema.
Devotee: Is it bona fide if one of our, in our sanga, somebody has (a) Śiva liṅgam inside (the) temple room next to deities?
Āśrama Mahārāja: And they worship as Gopīśvara Mahādeva.
Śrīla Nārāyaṇa Gosvāmī Mahārāja: It may be separate anywhere.
Brajanātha dāsa: Not in the same room. Separate room.
Śrīla Nārāyaṇa Gosvāmī Mahārāja: But not in the same temple. Like Girirāja Govardhana. We can keep everywhere.
Devotee: Brajanātha prabhu, in Gīti-guccha it mentions that Lord Nṛsiṁhadeva removes spiritual obstacles; but what are the spiritual obstacles?
Brajanātha dāsa: That is not a proper translation. Uh, Mahārāja?
Śrīpāda Mādhava Mahārāja: Yes, spiritual obstacles like we have so many anarthas this is spiritual obstacles. This is the main thing.
Brajanātha dāsa: Obstacles to move forward.
Śrīpāda Mādhava Mahārāja: …ruci taste is not coming. All these obstacles.
Devotee: But obstacles is not liṅgam. It should not go in the same altar.
Śrīpāda Mādhava Mahārāja: Not same room, same temple.
Devotee: No, I mean same room.
Śrīpāda Mādhava Mahārāja: Not same room, same temple even. Not same room.
Brajanātha dāsa: But outside the temple they have.
Devotee: Outside temple they have.
Śrīpāda Mādhava Mahārāja: Who has?
Devotee: But Śiva and the Śiva liṅgam is not different. Isn’t it? And He is a vaiṣṇava you know. So, the vaiṣṇava ācārya even on the altar, they are all on the same altar, you know: Prabhupāda, Śrīla Gaurakiśora Dāsa Bābājī, Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī,
Brajanātha dāsa: So, why not Lord Śiva?
Devotee: …so, why not Lord Śiva?
Śrīpāda Mādhava Mahārāja: They are in our Guru paramparā, Lord Śiva is not in our Guru paramparā. But we respect Him more than any other…
Devotees: In Rūpa-Sanātana mandir there is Gopīśvara Mahādeva.
Śrīla Nārāyaṇa Gosvāmī Mahārāja: You are from what country?
Brajanātha dāsa: He is yogi.