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1991 10 03 04 MATHURA SATSVARUPA SWAMI MEETS SRILA BV NARAYANA MAHARAJA 2 3

Srila Gurudeva: You have some questions?

GBC: From yesterday you were advising that, in discussing Rāga-vartma-candrikā, that we perform inner arcana, thinking of the līlā of Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa, while we perform our other devotional service such as japa or other activities. So, I think I have a little bit of that greed, by your grace, but I don’t feel qualified to begin this inner sevā, and one reason is, I am afraid, is this the proper to sahajiyā? Or, what is the difference between…?

Srila Gurudeva: I told, only to pray that: “I may be a dāsī; I may serve Śrīmati; I may serve Rūpa-mañjarī.” Only to pray, not to do like. Understand?

GBC: Yes

Srila Gurudeva: "I want to be like"…I pray (to) Kṛṣṇa, and His subordinates, that: "I want to serve Him." We are not qualified– but yet we want. We pray. No? Similarly, like Vilapa-kusumanjali, like Rūpa Gosvāmī's Śrī Gāndharvā-Samprārthanāśṭakam he has prayed that:

    vṛndāvane viharator iha keli-kuñje matta dvipa-pravara-kautuka-vibhrameṇa         sandarśayasva yuvayor vadanāravinda-dvandvaṁ vidhehi mayi devi! kṛpāṁ prasīda 

["O Devī Rādhikā! You and Śrī Kṛṣṇa are constantly enjoying Your ambrosial amorous pastimes in the leafy pleasure-groves of Vṛndāvana, like the intoxicated king of elephants sporting with his queen elephant. Therefore, O Gāndharvikā! Be pleased with me and mercifully grant me darśana of Your and Your beloved Kṛṣṇa's lotus-like faces." Śrī Gāndharvā-Samprārthanāśṭakam (1)]

Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī is praying to Śrīmati Rādhikā that, “I want to take darśana of you both when in Vṛndāvana – in real Vṛndāvana, aprākṛta Vṛndāvana – you both are roaming in Vṛndāvana in kuñja, and Lalitā, Viśākhā, all are serving you, and you are playing, you are doing vihāra there – Vihāra has so many vast meanings, playing – so, may I have your mercy that can I see you and Kṛṣṇa." This is pranata (editors note: unclear word).

Next pranata (editors note: unclear word) is:

hā devī! kāku-bhara-gadgadayādya vācā yāce nipatya bhuvi daṇḍavad udbhaṭārtiḥ       asya prasādam abudhasya janasya kṛtvā gāndharvike! nija-gaṇe gaṇanāṁ vidhehi 

[O Devī Gāndharvikā! I am suffering greatly, and therefore today I throw myself on the ground like a stick and humbly implore You with a choked voice to be merciful to this fool and please count me as one of Your own. Śrī Gāndharvā-Samprārthanāśṭakam (2)]

It is the second śloka. Here Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī is telling that, "Oh! Śrīmati Rādhikhe, you are my prāṇa-devī, so be pleased with me and by your mercy can I be capable to be among your dāsīs."

hā devī! kāku-bhara-gadgadayādya vācā yāce

"I am praying to your lotus feet, doing daṇḍavat praṇati… with kalpa dar (editors note: unclear word). Kalpa dar (editors note: unclear word) means praying in a mood of weeping. I can not speak anything. Tears are coming. I am so much distressed. So, may you hear my words – my prayer.

hā devī! kāku-bhara-gadgadayādya vācā yāce nipatya bhuvi daṇḍavad udbhaṭārtiḥ

I am telling you with udbhaṭārtiḥudbhaṭārtiḥ means duḥkha, sadness, misery – I am helpless. I am so much ajñāna, no knowledge at all, no source – nothing I have. I have only source of your lotus feet that you are so much kind and udāra – generous; You are generous. This is my hope. So, I am falling on Your feet. I am telling that I am mūḍha – fool; I am quite (a) fool. (I) know nothing, but yet I have greed. So, I am praying at Your lotus feet that You should enlist my name in the list of Your dāsīs. No qualification, only they are doing praṇāmas. So, like this praṇāma, prayers, we should do.

Understand?

GBC: Yes, I understand.

Srila Gurudeva: So, nothing to hear in this. But yes, there should be greed, otherwise we should not do.

GBC: Another difficulty is that this requires control of the mind because it seems to be a kind of meditation.

Srila Gurudeva: No, no. This requires only greed. If there is greed everything will be there. And if no need, no greed. If there will come so many things. And if greed is there no obstructions will (unclear). [To assistant: mane gane he?].

GBC: Nothing can stop it.

GBC: We may begin even with a little greed.

Srila Gurudeva: But it seems that no greed.

GBC: What?

Srila Gurudeva: Because if there is no greed yukti comes there. Whether we should do or not do and logic comes and everything. And if there is no logic, nothing, it will be kept very sacred and we would like to meet persons who are very keen interested in this. We will not tell these things to anyone, only to them to whom he has got something; that no use of logic, no śāstra yukti, nothing.

I love a lady. Or a lady loves anyone. No reason, nothing. He saw and loved. Greed is there. So we should try to do vaidhi-bhakti always. And doing vaidhi-bhakti by the grace of Kṛṣṇa so much karun asi – greed will come later on.

Practices of both things are one. No difference – some difference but no (major) difference. So we should do all these things. But, uh, if any man, blind man also, prays anything, no harm. "I want to be in Vṛndāvana," what harm? "I want to serve my gurudeva in aprākṛta radi Goloka Vaikuṇṭha," what harm? We are not able to go there, we are not qualified – yet we are praying. We should avoid (thinking) that, "I am gopī," "I am mañjarī," "I am doing this service, that service." If it looks very beautiful, sweet to us,

GBC: Mahārāja , you said we should want to serve our spiritual master as in the verse

nikuñja-yūno rati-keli-siddhyai
yā yālibhir yuktir apekṣanīyā
tatrāti-dākṣād ati-vallabhasya
vane guroḥ śrī caraṇāravindam

[Śrī Gurudeva is always present with the sakhīs, planning the arrangements for the perfection of yugala-kiśora's amorous pastimes (rati-keli) within the kuñjas of Vṛndāvana. Because he is so expert in making these tasteful arrangements for Their pleasure, he is very dear to Śrī Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa. I offer prayers unto the lotus feet of Śri Gurudeva. (Śrī Guruaṣṭakam 6)]

...in his eternal form.

Srila Gurudeva: It has been written by Śrīla Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura according to his bhāva. If anyone wants to follow this he can pray and he can think. Otherwise, second and first śloka,

mahāprabhoḥ kīrtana-nṛtya-gīta-
vāditra-mādyan-manaso rasena
romāñca-kampāśru-taraṅga-bhājo
vane guroḥ śrī caraṇāravindam

[Śrī Gurudeva is inspired by Mahāprabhu's saṇkīrtana and is always dancing, singing, and playing musical instruments. Because he is tasting Mahāprabhu's prema-rasa in his heart, like a madman he sometimes exhibits ecstatic symptoms – his hairs stand on end, he shivers, and waves of tears flow from his eyes. I offer prayers unto Śrī Gurudeva's lotus feet. (Śrī Gurvaṣṭakam 2)]

it is for vaidhi-bhakti also. No harm. So he will impress on this point.

śrī-vigrahārādhana-nitya-nānā-
śṛṇgāra-tan-mandira-mārjanādau
yuktasya bhaktāṃś ca niyuñjato 'pi
vane guroḥ śrī caraṇāravindam

[Always worshiping Śrī Vigraha and absorbed in śṛṇgāra-rasa, Śrī Gurudeva daily dresses Them differently with beautiful clothes and ornaments designed to enhance Their meetings. He cleans the temple and performs other services for Them. He also engages his disciples in these services. I offer prayers unto the lotus feet of Śrī Gurudeva. (Śrī Gurvaṣṭakam 3)]

...all these things accepting to

śrī-rādhikā-mādhavayor apāra-
mādhuray-līlā-guṇa-rūpa-nāmnām
prati-kṣaṇāsvādana-lolupasya
vane guroḥ śrī caraṇāravindam

[At every moment Śrī Gurudeva is experiencing intense greed in his heart to taste the unlimited sweetness of the holy names, forms, qualities, and pastimes of Śrī Rādhā-Mādhava in Vṛndāvana. I offer my prayers unto the lotus feet of Śrī Gurudeva. (Śrī Gurvaṣṭakam 5)]

and

nikuñja-yūno rati-keli-siddhyai
yā yālibhir yuktir apekṣanīyā
tatrāti-dākṣād ati-vallabhasya
vane guroḥ śrī caraṇāravindam

[Śrī Gurudeva is always present with the sakhīs, planning the arrangements for the perfection of yugala-kiśora's amorous pastimes (rati-keli) within the kuñjas of Vṛndāvana. Because he is so expert in making these tasteful arrangements for Their pleasure, he is very dear to Śrī Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa. I offer prayers unto the lotus feet of Śri Gurudeva. (Śrī Guruaṣṭakam 6)]

As I expressed before rāgānuga-bhakti. They were very kind. Śrīla Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura and all others; they have done such a thing that everyone may be satisfied.

GBC: From the beginner to the most advanced.

Srila Gurudeva: So much advanced. But I think those who are beginners or those who are (unclear: madhyama-adhikārī?) will not enter into two points. What is the meaning?

GBC: They will not enter two points?

Srila Gurudeva: nikuñja-yūno... and śrī-rādhikā... they will not think at all. Never. They will only do kīrtana, not knowing anything, only there should be kīrtana, do kīrtana. Not with bhāva. But qualified persons, they do kīrtana with bhāva.

In Rūpa Gosvāmī's śikṣā Śrī Upadeśāmṛta it has been written

tan-nāma-rūpa-caritādi-sukīrtanānu-
smṛtyoḥ krameṇa rasanā-manasī niyojya
tiṣṭhan vraje tad-anurāgi-janānugāmī
kālaṁ nayed akhilam ity upadeśa-sāram

[While living in Vraja as a follower of the sternal residents of Vraja, who possess inherent spontaneous love for Śrī Kṛṣṇa, one should utilize all his time by sequentially engaging the tongue and the mind in meticulous chanting and remembrance of Kṛṣṇa's names, form, qualities and pastimes. This is the essence of all instruction. (Śrī Upadeśāmṛta 8)]

You have heard this śloka? tan-nāma-rūpa-caritādi-

Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī is telling that this upadesha, this instruction, is the sāra, essence, of all the books they have written – (including) Śrīmad Bhāgavatam also, Vedas, śāstra, Upaniṣads – combined all the books; it is the essence of all these things and the essence of what Śri Caitanya Mahāprabhu has given to this world. Essence. That tan-nāma-rūpa-caritādi...Kṛṣṇa's nāma; what Kṛṣṇa name? Not all names – Govinda, Gopī-jana-vallabha, Rādhā-vallabha, Rādhā-prāṇa-dāna – all these names or according to their will, what they are qualified (for), according to them.

agha-damana-yaśodā-nandanau! nanda-sūno! kamala-nayana-gopī-candra-                 vṛndāvanendrāḥ! praṇata-karuṇa-kṛṣṇāv ity aneka-svarūpe                               tvayi mama ratir uccair vardhatāṁ nāmadheya 

[O Nāma, may my love for You in Your many forms such as Agha-damana, Yaśodā- nandana, Nanda-sūno, Kamala-nayana, Gopīcandra, Vṛndāvanendra and Praṇata- karuṇa, always increase. Śrī Kṛṣṇa-Nāmāṣṭakam (5)]

These names. Sakhā-Kṛṣṇa, Prahbu-Kṛṣṇa. So, there are various kinds of names. Rādhā-Damodara and Yaśodā-Damodara are not the same. Name is same – Damodara – but to whom he refers, Rādhā-Damodara or Yaśodā-Damodara?

namāmīśvaraṁ sac-cid-ānanda-rūpaṁ
lasat-kuṇḍalaṁ gokule bhrājamānam
yaśodā-bhiyolūkhalād dhāvamānaṁ
parāmṛṣṭam atyaṁ tattoo drutya gopyā

[I worship the Supreme Īśvara, Śrī Kṛṣṇa, whose form is sac-cid-ānanda, whose makara-shaped earrings swing and play upon His cheeks, who is supremely splendrous in the transcendental dhāma of Gokula, who, due to breaking the yogurt pot, is very fearful of Mother Yaśodā and jumping down from the wooden grinding mortar quickly runs away, and who, chased by Yaśodā, who hastily runs after Him, is ultimately caught from behind. (Śrī Dāmodarāṣṭakam 1)]

Especially the general mass knows Yaśodā-Damodara, but gopīs don't know that Kṛṣṇa. They know Rādhā-Damodara. Kṛṣṇa is tightened with Śrīmati Rādhikā so He may not go here and there. They love this Kṛṣṇa.

tan-nāma-rūpa-caritādi-sukīrtanānu-
smṛtyoḥ krameṇa rasanā-manasī niyojya
tiṣṭhan vraje tad-anurāgi-janānugāmī
kālaṁ nayed akhilam ity upadeśa-sāram

[While living in Vraja as a follower of the sternal residents of Vraja, who possess inherent spontaneous love for Śrī Kṛṣṇa, one should utilize all his time by sequentially engaging the tongue and the mind in meticulous chanting and remembrance of Kṛṣṇa's names, form, qualities and pastimes. This is the essence of all instruction. (Śrī Upadeśāmṛta 8)]

What name they are qualified, they should take the name and they should chant bitterly, crying with heart. Heartly thing, the pastimes of Kṛṣṇa related to that name and he should be in Vṛndāvana under the guidance of any rasika-vaiṣṇava to whom he is dedicated.

sajātīya-snigdha aśra rasika-siddhāntavi-vaiṣṇava

A vaiṣṇava who has some affection for you and he is of the same category – that you like he likes also; and he has some mercy upon you and you have some heart for him; that situation is very sacred.

So, being in Vṛndāvana under the guidance of such a vaiṣṇava you should chant that Kṛṣṇa and Gopī-jana-vallabha, Nanda-nanda, Yaśodā-nanda, or any name to whom you are related. And if you can not stay in Vṛndāvana from there where you are you should think by mind that, "I am in Vṛndāvana in Rādhā-kuṇḍa or Sevā- kuñja" or anywhere – as you like. If you are of vātsalya-rāsa you should think, "I am in Gokula." If you are sakhā you should think that, "I am in Nanda-grāma or Vṛndāvana." If mādhurya-rāsa you can think, "I am in Jāvaṭa, Saṅket or Rādhā-kuṇḍa" and so on. So, chanting all these things and remembering the pastimes of Kṛṣṇa related to your heart, being in Vṛndāvana in the guidance of such a rasika vaiṣṇava you should be chanting and purify yourself. This is the sāra, essence, of all the śikṣā – Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī or Śri Caitanya Mahāprabhu. By doing this actually one surely will get his svarūpa-siddha.

If a man chants lakhs and lakhs births for thousands of years he is chanting but he has no actual vaiṣṇava association – he will not realize. He will have to come in the vaiṣṇava association then his chanting will be pure and then he can advance. koṭi koṭi janme kare yādi śravaṇa kīrtana, tabuta na pāya kṛṣṇa pade prema dhana.

'kṛṣṇa-nāma' kare aparādhera vicāra
kṛṣṇa balile aparādhīra nā hay vikāra

[There are offenses to be considered while chanting the Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra. Therefore simply by chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa one does not become ecstatic. (Ādi 8.24)]

Understanding all these things?

GBC: Yes, I know that verse.

Srila Gurudeva: So, Śri Caitanya Mahāprabhu has told this if a man chants so many krods of jnama (millions of births) but Kṛṣṇa nāma thinks aparādhe–vicāra. Kṛṣṇa-nāma thinks he is aparādhī, he does not give him Kṛṣṇa prema; He can give mukti, salvation and other things.

Any other (questions)?

GBC: No you answered the question.

Srila Gurudeva: Any doubt?

GBC: The only doubt is whether I can do what you say.

GBC: What is the process of making the greed come? Through this association?

Srila Gurudeva: (light laughter) It requires any process but what process is that when we will be, by the grace of Kṛṣṇa, in the association of a rasika-vaiṣṇava and go through books of gosvāmī and if it will be here very strict darśana of Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa. In vaidhi-bhakti there are so many processes. What is bad or what is good we don’t require anything. If he wants that vastu, vastu you know?

GBC: Substance.

Srila Gurudeva: What is bad? To love Kṛṣṇa is bad; yet he loves.

GBC: If one is attracted to Kṛṣṇa in Vṛndāvana what about the other cantos of Śrīmad Bhāgavatam? Does he not study them anymore?

Srila Gurudeva: Why not?

GBC: But it is not Kṛṣṇa. It is Nṛsiṁhadeva or it is…

Srila Gurudeva: All are related to Kṛṣṇa.

GBC: He does not avoid the other parts?

Srila Gurudeva: All are rāsa. Śrīmad Bhāgavatam from beginning; (aside) beginning śloka?

oṁ namo bhagavate vāsudevāya
janmādy asya yato 'nvayād itaratāś cārtheṣv abhijñaḥ svarāṭ
teen brahma hṛdā ya ādi-kavaye muhyanti yat sūrayaḥ
tejo-vāri-mṛdāṁ yathā vinimayo yatra tri-sargo 'mṛṣā
dhāmnā sienna sadā nirasta-kuhakaṁ satyaṁ paraṁ dhīmahi

[O my Lord, Śrī Kṛṣṇa, son of Vasudeva, O all-pervading Personality of Godhead, I offer my respectful obeisances to You. I meditate upon Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa because He is the Absolute Truth and the primeval cause of all causes of the creation, sustenance and destruction of the manifested universes. He is directly and indirectly conscious of all manifestations, and He is independent because there is no other cause beyond Him. It is He only who first imparted the Vedic knowledge unto the heart of Brahmājī, the original living being. By Him even the great sages and demigods are placed into illusion, as one is bewildered by the illusory representations of water seen in fire, or land seen on water. Only because of Him do the material universes, temporarily manifested by the reactions of the three modes of nature, appear factual, although they are unreal. I therefore meditate upon Him, Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa, who is eternally existent in the transcendental abode, which is forever free from illusory representations of the material world. I meditate upon Him, for He is the Absolute Truth. (S.B. 1.1.1)]

From whom adhay-rasa and mani-madhura-rasa is created? Everything is included there.

GBC: He reads the entire Bhāgavatam but now he sees it in a different way.

Srila Gurudeva: He can tell any śloka and his meaning will be transferred into mādhurya-rasa. Any śloka.

GBC: Bhagavad-gītā also like that?

Srila Gurudeva: Somewhat, because it is beginning.

GBC: But Śrīmad Bhāgavatam...

Srila Gurudeva:

nigama-kalpa-taror galitaṁ phalaṁ
    śuka-mukhād amṛta-drava-saṁyutam
piñata bhāgavataṁ rasam ālayaṁ
    muhur aho rasikā bhuvi bhāvukāḥ

[O expert and thoughtful men, relish Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, the mature fruit of the desire tree of Vedic Literatures. It emanated from the lips of Śrī Śukadeva Gosvāmī. Therefore this fruit has become even more tasteful, although its nectarean juice was already relishable for all, including liberated souls. (S.B. 1.1.3)]

It has no rotten thing or anything. But yet he has some special preference for the 10th canto. The whole body is mine but heart is the most (valuable). You know?

GBC: Yes.

Srila Gurudeva: First two are feet. Some are hands, some are chest. So, there are 12 parts of the body; Śrīmad Bhāgavatam is twelve parts of Kṛṣṇa.

Anything more? Time is over.

GBC: No, no, no…

Madhava Maharaja: Five minutes more.

GBC: So, I have one five-minute question.

Srila Gurudeva: Five-minute question?

GBC: No. No. Question is one minute but answer will only take short time so you don't have to worry. There was one verse that you spoke on Monday about how the gopis were praying:

praṇata-dehināṁ pāpa-karṣaṇaṁ tṛṇa-carānugaṁ śrī-niketanam
phaṇi-phaṇārpitaṁ te padāmbujaṁ kṛṇu kuceṣu naḥ kṛndhi hṛc-chayam

[Your lotus feet remove all the past sins of embodied beings who surrender to them, and they chase after the cows and calves that graze in the pastures. Those lotus feet are the abode of Lakṣmī-devī, the goddess of wealth and beauty, and You placed them even upon the hoods of a serpent (Kāliya). Please place those very lotus feet upon our breasts, and subdue our sufferings that have arisen from the lust in our hearts. [Gopī Gīta (7)]

Srila Gurudeva: What?

GBC: So, at that time when you spoke I was so foolish there was no tape recorder. And I can't remember it. This is so (embarrassing). It was so sweet. It is just a wonderful verse. I need to hear that.

But your English is so good.

Srila Gurudeva: Any question more?

GBC: No, I am satisfied. I will work on it.

Srila Gurudeva: Go on, what you are doing. By the grace of your Prabhupada you will gain liberty.

GBC: By your grace.

Srila Gurudeva: Have you Upadeśāmṛta?

GBC: Yes.

Srila Gurudeva: Very good. In short everything.

GBC: His question was too big, but I have a smaller one.

Srila Gurudeva: Yes, his question was so big, it will take (long time). Any question more?

GBC: I do have a question. It is asking you for encouragment. Some devotees in our ISKCON they think, “Prabhupada, he only taught us vaidhi-bhakti and we don’t want to hear anything else.” And we sometimes come into conflict with that mentality because we are trying to learn more. And they say, “No, to be faithful to Prabhupada you don’t require more than what you find in the books.” But actually, when we look at the books, we see there is more than they say there is in the books.

Srila Gurudeva: Everything is there, I think. But they are not seeing. And he has left something that you should hear afterward. And you should pray me.

GBC: You should pray me….?

Srila Gurudeva: He is thinking, your Prabhupada, that “I have done something and after that you should inquire and pray (to) me then I will give you all these in your heart." But I see that is everything is there. When Uddhava is coming from Kṛṣṇa and meets Vidura, in third canto. He has told everthing. Perhaps tenth canto is meaning of what essence he has told. So, Uddhava has told everything, really, and remembering the pastimes rasa and all these things. He is telling Vidura. Vidura also began to weep. He told that, “I am not in a mood to tell all these things, but Krsna has told. You will have to go to Badarikasrama, to Maitreya, and he will tell you. So, everything has been told there, or in Śrīmad Bhāgavatam. Here and there in

nigama-kalpa-taror galitaṁ phalaṁ
 śuka-mukhād amṛta-drava-saṁyutam
pibata bhāgavataṁ rasam ālayam
 muhur aho rasikā bhuvi bhāvukāḥ

[O expert and thoughtful men, relish Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, the mature fruit of the desire tree of Vedic literatures. It emanated from the lips of Śrī Śukadeva Gosvāmī. Therefore this fruit has become even more tasteful, although its nectarean juice was already relishable for all, including liberated souls. (S.B. 1.1.3)]

Everything has been told there in a very discrete (way). In Nārada and Vyāsadeva dialogue everything has been given there. Svamaji has written all these things but they don’t see. Śrīmad Bhāgavatam is not of vaidhi-bhakti at all. I think. It is of rāgātmikā- bhakta. Not rāgānuga also. Rāgātmikā. Why should they read? They should not read Śrīmad Bhāgavatam. My gurudeva used to tell, "Don’t read Bhāgavatam." What is the meaning? You should read, who are capable, they should read, surely, Bhāgavatam; otherwise you should not. Who are qualified. But it is rāgātmikā-bhakta. Not rāgānuga, what to tell vaidhi. They are giving greed to reach in tenth canto; all are as a grass. A cow is not coming. I give a little grass. He came forward. I give a little grass here. He came again. I gave grass. Again she comes. And at last where I wanted to take that cow, the cow will be there. So, everything Vyāsadeva had written before in other Purāṇas, but not gopī-prema. For gopī-prema Śrīmad Bhāgavatam was written and it was educated to Śukadeva Gosvāmī. So, it is rāgātmikā, not vaidhi-bhakti. (These stories are) like grass.

So, all ācāryas have told it is the post-graduate book. Post-graduate means rāgānuga-bhakti is post-graduate. So, they don't know.

GBC: You said that our Śrīla Prabhupāda said that if you pray to me then in your heart more will come…

Srila Gurudeva: Oh! One more thing I want to tell you. That I know your Śrīla Prabhupāda more than you.

GBC: Well, then I want to ask you…

Srila Gurudeva: Certainly, this is true fact.

GBC: Then does he want…

Srila Gurudeva: They know only a part.

GBC: Then what I want to know is through you then we will get that more instruction which also from our Prabhupāda. You said through the heart, but it also comes through you.

GBC: (laughter) So direct…

GBC: Because we need that assurance. We don't want to think, "Oh, I am not going to Prabhupāda, I am going to some other source." But we want more. We need more.

Srila Gurudeva: He may grace you. Mercy…Perhaps you have mercy so that you have done so many great works.

GBC: I remember you used to say how our Prabhupāda was always chanting “sad gosvami astakam.” Always in the mode of the gosvāmīs.

Srila Gurudeva: Recite.

GBC: And his preaching was also in that bhāva. Recruiting, sending people for preaching.

Srila Gurudeva: All ācāryas are like kalpa-vṛkṣa. You know kalpa-vṛkṣa? What you want, he will give. So he is one person will give everyone according to that person. Like Śrīmad Bhāgavatam is kalpa-vṛkṣa. It can give mukti also. She can give wealth also. Vaikuṇṭha also. Dvārakā also. Everything is there. And more over she can give Vṛndāvana, vraja. Likewise. You can get everything from your Prabhupāda.

GBC: Maharaja, he asked me who that was on the left. And I said it is Vṛndā-devī.

Srila Gurudeva: Vṛndā-devī is there.

GBC: He did not know that was Vṛndā-devī.

Srila Gurudeva: Oh, she was accompanying when Kṛṣṇa was going to Govinda, Gopīnāth, Śyāmāsundara and all others. Vṛndā-devī is also there.

One day they stopped there for a few days. Vṛndā-devī told that, "I will not go. I will not leave Vṛndāvana." Certainly (wherever) Vṛndā-devī goes, there is Vṛndāvana. So, she (was) determined not to go out of Vṛndāvana. So she stayed there. Up to now she is there, in Kāmyavana. When I went there, she told me, "I can not be here. I want to go to Vṛndāvana. So, can you arrange that I may go there?" I said, "Yes, certaintly you can go there." And I took here here. You should be in Vṛndāvana. Without you Vṛndāvana is not Vṛndāvana.

What should we do?

GBC: Well, last time Butijana prabhu had a question and you said it would take some time.

Srila Gurudeva: What was that question?

GBC: About the verse:

praṇata-dehināṁ pāpa-karṣaṇaṁ tṛṇa-carānugaṁ śrī-niketanam
phaṇi-phaṇārpitaṁ te padāmbujaṁ kṛṇu kuceṣu naḥ kṛndhi hṛc-chayam

[Your lotus feet remove all the past sins of embodied beings who surrender to them, and they chase after the cows and calves that graze in the pastures. Those lotus feet are the abode of Lakṣmī-devī, the goddess of wealth and beauty, and You placed them even upon the hoods of a serpent (Kāliya). Please place those very lotus feet upon our breasts, and subdue our sufferings that have arisen from the lust in our hearts. [Gopī Gīta (7)]

Srila Gurudeva: I have told you. No?

GBC: In Bombay you told us. I have read that chapter since then and just the little I remember from that verse, that you told us, just expanded the whole...such a wonderful chapter. So, I though anything we can hear from that chapter is maybe the most sweet.

Srila Gurudeva: What is the first śloka? Before this?

GBC: That chapter is…

Srila Gurudeva: Sixth śloka.

vraja-janārti-han vīra yoṣitāṁ nija-jana-smaya-dhvaṁsana-smita
bhaja sakhe bhavat-kiṅkarīḥ sma no jala-ruhānanaṁ cāru darśaya

[O You who destroys the sorrows of the residents of Vraja; O best among heroes, the beam of whose mere smile shatters the pride of Your near and dear ones, which arises from good fortune, and from the sulky mood (māna) arising from that pride. O dear friend, please fulfill the desire of Your maidservants. At least this once, kindly show us helpless girls Your attractive lotus face and make us happy. Gopī Gīta (6)]

GBC: This chapter, it shows the most supreme position of the gopīs' love for Kṛṣṇa. It shows that it is completely selfless.

Srila Gurudeva: Only in vipralambha-rasa. Without vipralambha, sambhoga-rasa can not be so deep. So, vipralambha is ustikaram of sambhoga-līlā. Ustikaram you know?

GBC: Nourishes the union.

Śrīla Gurudeva: If there is no seperation, no sambhoga-līlā will be enjoyed so much. So, there are so many kinds of vipralambha. Māna is one of them. Vipralambha-rasa. māna are of so (many) different kinds. And in them ahaitukī-māna and sahaitukī are of two kinds.

GBC: With cause and with no cause.

Śrīla Gurudeva: Where there is no cause, but there is māna, that māna goes away itself by (the) laughing of Kṛṣṇa, by giving her hands, by touching gopīs, or anything. It comes (and) it goes away itself. But sahaitukī-māna does not go itself.

So, māna, it will be so deep, there are various kinds of sahaitukī-māna the māna which is so deep, by a very deep reason, that will take a long time, and Kṛṣṇa will have to do more labor to overcome that. This is also vipralambha because Kṛṣṇa has left gopīs with Rādhikā. Rādhikā is with Kṛṣṇa. It is not clearly written in Śrīmad Bhāgavatam but it is said He is with Her because afterward it has been prakasa maya it has been told that a ladies footprint was seen. So, Kṛṣṇa at once took Śrīmati by force and went from rasa.

There are two ślokas here:

evaṁ bhagavataḥ kṛṣṇāl
 labdha-mānā mahātmanaḥ
ātmānaṁ menire strīṇāṁ
 māninyo hy adhikaṁ bhuvi

[The gopīs became proud of themselves for having received such special attention from Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and each of them thought herself the best woman on earth. S.B. 10.29.47]

And second śloka is:

tāsāṁ tat-saubhaga-madaṁ
 vīkṣya mānaṁ ca keśavaḥ
praśamāya prasādāya
 tatraivāntaradhīyata

[Lord Keśava, seeing the gopīs too proud of their good fortune, wanted to relieve them of this pride and show them further mercy. Thus He immediately disappeared. S.B. (10.29.48)]

These two ślokas. That all the gopīs received so much praise from Kṛṣṇa and Kṛṣṇa served them and there were lakhs and lakhs gopīs but they were not seeing each other at that time on account of very deep love with Kṛṣṇa. When Kṛṣṇa, at the time of dancing, took their face and looked at their face, smiling, Kṛṣṇa, by his pītāmbara, washed the dust from their mouths. Sometimes they said, "You are so tired, I should do like this (massage)." So, they saw that Kṛṣṇa is in so much serving tendency toward us and Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme...

GBC: Supreme Lord...

Śrīla Gurudeva: Not Lord. Supreme good lad in whole world at that time. So beautiful, so much in every respect and a man like Kṛṣṇa is serving me, not any other gopīs. So, they have garva, pride, in their heart. Garva means, when garva comes, "I am so qualified, I am so beautiful, I have so many qualities, others have not. And that is why Kṛṣṇa is under me, only under me, not under any one else." This cause, garva, came to them so that all (think) I am most dear to Kṛṣṇa. All others are not like this. And at that time, anyone can do asūyā, avajñā, neglecting. That is called garva, it comes from saubhāgya-mada, mada means garva, garva means to neglect anyone. So saubhāgya-mada that Kṛṣṇa is giving us so much saubhāgya and this cuased mada meaning ahaṅkāra, pride. And that is why they neglected all gopīs. So, they were not willing to nṛtya dance with all the gopīs. But Śrīmati Rādhikā saw that Kṛṣṇa is dancing with all gopīs, he is serving to all gopīs, also to me. And this caused māna. Not saubhāgya-mada, not ahaṅkāra, not garva, but only māna. Kṛṣṇa wanted that rasa should begin and that is why he wanted to subside the garva of all gopīs, saubhāgya-mada.

Understanding?

GBC: Yes. Somewhat. Yes.

Srila Gurudeva: All is clear?

GBC: Yes. Yes.

Srila Gurudeva: Saubhāgya-mada. And He wanted to make Śrīmati Rādhikā so glad that she should leave her mind. So this is called prasādam. Māna means (that the) saubhāgya-mada it should be crushed. And māna should be prasādam. I should make Śrīmati Rādhikā anyhow pleased. So, He took Śrīmati Rādhikā with Her and...what?

GBC: Braided her hair.

Srila Gurudeva: He collected flowers. Made garland, gave it to Śrīmati Rādhikā. Garlanded her hairs and everything. So, She became very much prasūna and all gopīs, when Kṛṣṇa went away with Rādhikā, all māna, saubhāgya-mada was crushed. Rādhikā's māna was not crushed. She was pleased. At last He also left Śrīmati Rādhikā on account of gopīs. That gopīs may not come here at once and if they will see Rādhikā with Me they will be īrṣyā, envious, to Śrīmati Rādhikā so rasa will not be done. So, He left Rādhikā and gopīs came there and saw Rādhikā weeping. They had sympathy automatically. And they became one. And they are singing these ślokas.

No?

Now, they are weeping that we want to see Your smiling face again and we want to dance with You.

vraja-janārti-han vīra yoṣitāṁ nija-jana-smaya-dhvaṁsana-smita
bhaja sakhe bhavat-kiṅkarīḥ sma no jala-ruhānanaṁ cāru darśaya

[O You who destroys the sorrows of the residents of Vraja; O best among heroes, the beam of whose mere smile shatters the pride of Your near and dear ones, which arises from good fortune, and from the sulky mood (māna) arising from that pride. O dear friend, please fulfill the desire of Your maidservants. At least this once, kindly show us helpless girls Your attractive lotus face and make us happy. Gopī Gīta (6)]

We want to see Your smiling face. White face. But if You are not showing Your smiling face we pray one thing, that You should keep Your lotus feet on our body. Here they are telling, gopīs:

praṇata-dehināṁ pāpa-karṣaṇaṁ tṛṇa-carānugaṁ śrī-niketanam
phaṇi-phaṇārpitaṁ te padāmbujaṁ kṛṇu kuceṣu naḥ kṛndhi hṛc-chayam

[Your lotus feet remove all the past sins of embodied beings who surrender to them, and they chase after the cows and calves that graze in the pastures. Those lotus feet are the abode of Lakṣmī-devī, the goddess of wealth and beauty, and You placed them even upon the hoods of a serpent (Kāliya). Please place those very lotus feet upon our breasts, and subdue our sufferings that have arisen from the lust in our hearts. [Gopī Gīta (7)]

So they are telling that, "You should keep Your lotus feet on our breast, on our head, or on anywhere." It is a sign of love. No?

Kṛṣṇa is telling that, “Oh, I can not do this. I have told you first to go to your husbands and serve your husbands. And tell them that (what) you are telling to us. I can not go against dharma."

Understanding?

"It is adharma and it will be pāpa, sin, for Me. I can not do because I always protect dharma and you are telling Me to do against dharma. So, I can not do."

Gopīs are praying. Here, one thing we should know. That gopīs are telling...gopīs hide their every wish in their heart. Every wish. They don’t disclose to Kṛṣṇa or anyone.

Understand something?

GBC: Yes.

Srila Gurudeva: Kṛṣṇa wants that they should tell directly their heart things but they are not eager to tell it. So, Kṛṣṇa became outside but He is near, very near to gopīs and hearing everything. So in front of Kṛṣṇa always they hide. And Kṛṣṇa wants to hear from them all these things, that You should love, You should do vihāra with us. We should nṛtya, dance, with us but always gopīs hide. They (are) always, niṣedha, quarrelling. Here they are telling clearly that give Your lotus feet on our breast. Why they are telling? They are not telling for themselves, but to please Kṛṣṇa they are telling.

According to:

anyābhilāṣitā-śūnyaṁ jñāna-karmādy-anāvṛtam
ānukūlena kṛṣṇānu-śīlanaṁ bhaktir uttamā

["'When first-class devotional service develops, one must be devoid of all material desires, knowledge obtained by monistic philosophy, and furtive action. The devotee must constantly serve Kṛṣṇa favorably, as Kṛṣṇa desires.' (Madhya 19.167)]

This śloka, any ambition for our personal pleasure or happiness is against bhakti. Why they are wanting these things? For their pleasure enjoyment? No. Gopīs every thing is for Kṛṣṇa. And every action is to please Kṛṣṇa. Here also they are thinking that Kṛṣṇa is hiding but his ambition is to do like this. If a friend comes to us, I told him, Namin-krnsa, that Satsvarupa Prabhu has come and Udar Prabhu and this Prabhu has come. Go to (the) market and bring some very sweet fruits or anything. You told, “Why you are bringing all these things? We have no appetite.” I told, "I am not bringing for you. I daily used to bring for my ṭhākuraji. So, I am brining it for my ṭhākuraji." If I tell that I am bringing for you, it is out of etiqueitte and it is not a fact of love. No? So, I hide it and I told that I am bringing it for the service of Kṛṣṇa; but I am bringing all these things for you. It is a fact. So, gopīs are telling this (and) hiding that we are doing it for You. They are not telling. They are telling we are wanting for us because if we will tell that we are doing for Kṛṣṇa then He will certainly will not do this. No? Because Kṛṣṇa does everything to please gopīs so if we will tell we want to keep Your lotus feet on our head or anywhere, Kṛṣṇa will gladly accept. But if we will tell that for your pleasure we are doing so, Kṛṣṇa does not accept, will not accept. In any case.

Understand these things?

GBC: Yes.

Srila Gurudeva: So, this is pure bhakti, uttamā-bhakti and it is also more than uttamā. Utmost level is this prema is. So, gopīs are telling Kṛṣṇa, hiding their hearts' bhāva that for us You should keep your lotus feet on our breast. So, it is not against our...

Now we will return to our verse.

praṇata-dehināṁ pāpa-karṣaṇaṁ tṛṇa-carānugaṁ śrī-niketanam
phaṇi-phaṇārpitaṁ te padāmbujaṁ kṛṇu kuceṣu naḥ kṛndhi hṛc-chayam

[Your lotus feet remove all the past sins of embodied beings who surrender to them, and they chase after the cows and calves that graze in the pastures. Those lotus feet are the abode of Lakṣmī-devī, the goddess of wealth and beauty, and You placed them even upon the hoods of a serpent (Kāliya). Please place those very lotus feet upon our breasts, and subdue our sufferings that have arisen from the lust in our hearts. [Gopī Gīta (7)]

Kṛṣṇa is telling, "I can not do because it is out of dharma, against dharma, sanātana-dharma, adyadharma. You should to your husband and fulfill your all these things by your husband. I can not do."

Then gopīs said, "Why? Because it is a sinful act. It has been prohibited in all śāstra and our ṛṣi muñi has told like this. We should not do. So, why I should do like this? It will touch sin to me." No? Then gopis are telling that,

praṇata-dehināṁ pāpa-karṣaṇaṁ tṛṇa-carānugaṁ śrī-niketanam
phaṇi-phaṇārpitaṁ te padāmbujaṁ kṛṇu kuceṣu naḥ kṛndhi hṛc-chayam

[Your lotus feet remove all the past sins of embodied beings who surrender to them, and they chase after the cows and calves that graze in the pastures. Those lotus feet are the abode of Lakṣmī-devī, the goddess of wealth and beauty, and You placed them even upon the hoods of a serpent (Kāliya). Please place those very lotus feet upon our breasts, and subdue our sufferings that have arisen from the lust in our hearts. [Gopī Gīta (7)]

Those who are praṇata, praṇata means surrender, certainly pure surrendered soul. If anyone surrenders to Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa has done pratijñām, promise, that, "I will take all sins." What sin can touch him? Because,

sarva-dharmān parityajya
mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja
ahaṁ tvāṁ sarva-pāpebhyo
mokṣayiṣyāmi mā śucaḥ

[Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reactions. Do not fear. B.G. (18.66)]

                sarva-pāpebhyo
            mokṣayiṣyāmi mā śucaḥ

He has done promise like this. You have promised like this. Not only in Śrīmad Bhagavad-gītā, In Bhāgavatam and all other Purāṇas it has been stated by You. So if any surrendered soul is there and he takes only the name of Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa. All his sins goes away. Kṛṣṇa does not take any sin from devotees. By taking His name all sins are burnt, goes away.

praṇata-dehināṁ pāpa-karṣaṇaṁ tṛṇa-carānugaṁ śrī-niketanam
phaṇi-phaṇārpitaṁ te padāmbujaṁ kṛṇu kuceṣu naḥ kṛndhi hṛc-chayam

[Your lotus feet remove all the past sins of embodied beings who surrender to them, and they chase after the cows and calves that graze in the pastures. Those lotus feet are the abode of Lakṣmī-devī, the goddess of wealth and beauty, and You placed them even upon the hoods of a serpent (Kāliya). Please place those very lotus feet upon our breasts, and subdue our sufferings that have arisen from the lust in our hearts. [Gopī Gīta (7)]

All sins are, what?

GBC: Destroyed.

Srila Gurudeva: Destroyed. So you will not have pāpa. Because by surrendered all their sins have been burned.

GBC: pāpa-karṣaṇaṁ

Srila Gurudeva: tṛṇa-carānugaṁ. It may be you are telling so, Kṛṣṇa is telling, but yet tṛṇa-carānugaṁ.

My feets are so soft, so soft and it has fragrance but your breast are so hard and so warm that My feet can be burned. So, I can not keep My lotus feet there because They will be burned. And my feet are so su-komala, su-komala you know? Very very soft. Like the (patram-kamalam or ambuja-patra), the petal of lotus or, nalada, rose flower. More than that.

Gopīs are telling, "You are telling lie. Certainly you are telling lie. You go to cowherd and You follow cows, grazing cows and You follow. You follow them in hills, mountains, in kāṅṭā-vana, thorns, forests, jungles. The cows ran so quickly they don't stay on paths. They go hither and thither. Where there is no thorns they don’t think here are thorns or here are not. They can run anywhere. So deep so high, thorns, pebbles, like thorns. There You don't have any difficulty and Your feet are at that time also very soft, but You feel no difficulty. Is it a fact that our heart is more horrible than that jungle, mountains, pebbles? So, You can go and follow Your cows here and there in thorns, mountians, deep and high and You feel no trouble, but by keeping Your lotus feet on our breast You are feeling so difficulty?"

Then Kṛṣṇa told, śrīniketanaḥ, this is not darshan of Kṛṣṇa, this is darshana of gopīs, śrīniketanaḥ. Kṛṣṇa is telling that, "Oh, I can not keep these lotus feet on any other’s wife. You are not My married wives. So, I can not do it."

"Why You keep your lotus feet in the laps of Lakṣmī? Lakṣmī is not wife. And in our case You are telling like this. So, You can keep Your feet in the laps, in the heart, of Lakṣmī whether she is the wife of Nārāyaṇa. You are not feeling harm there that it is going against dharma. You are not seeing that, 'Nārāyaṇa will be angry with me.' Why you are keeping?"

Why it is it they are describing this? There is a story behind it. That Śrī means Lakṣmī. Niketanam, niketanam means abode. Your feet are (the) abode of...Lakṣmī is abode of Your feet, because Lakṣmī always keeps Nārāyaṇa's feet in her lap. Why? Once, Vāmanadeva had taken everything from Bali Mahārāja.

You know that...?

GBC: Yes.

Srila Gurudeva: He knew that I have deceived Bali Mahārāja and I have taken everything and given it to devatāḥ, kingdom and everything. Now he is poor and sent him to Vitalaloka, uh, Vitalaloka? Sutala, Sutalaloka, with Prahlāda Mahārāja and Bali. He is always present there. He told that, “Oh, Bali Mahārāja, I want that I should give you (something). You can take anything that you like." Varadaḥ, you know? Varam you know? Varam means what you like you can ask. Benediction.

So, "You can take any benedication from Me."

Bali Mahārāja said, “Yes I want something.”

"What (do) you want?”

"I want that in Sutalaloka I have a great palace and in that palace there are 50 doors. When I will go and I will return I will not take. In the night I may, in the day, in morning…any time I can go and come. You should always wait on all gates for day and night. When I come…and…You should always watch this. In other words, he captured Viṣṇu, Vāmanadeva, in his 50 doors. He should always be there, day and night. He can not go anywhere. So, Vāmanadeva used to be the gate keeper of Bali-Mahārāja. Bali Mahārāja sometimes used to go here and there and seeing, watching that He is doing his sergvice. He should not go for a moment any where. In Vaikuṇṭha Lakṣmīdevī was waiting for Nārāyaṇa. That He has done certain service for their devotees (devatas) but yet He has not returned. She was watching and watching but He was not returning because He was gatekeeper there. He was captured there. So, She was very sad.

In the meantime Nārada came there and asked, "Why are you lamenting?" She told that, “I am lamenting that my husband is not here. He told me that 'I am coming, returning soon,' but so many days, so many months, so many years are going to pass and He is not returning."

"Oh, I know where He is. He has gone to do some mischief, or to cheat, Bali maharaja, a devotee of Kṛṣṇa. He has cheated him. He is now in the palace as a gatekeeper and for a moment He can not leave that (place). So, He is there.”

“How can I get my husband again? How will He be mukta, free from there?”

Nārada told something in her ear. Nārada tell thieves to steal and at the same time he tells householders to watch because today your things will be stolen, some thieves may come. At the same time. To one person he tells you should take and to another person he tells, you should watch. Both. So, he told Lakṣmīdevī something and She became so pleased. He kept her all dressed there and in the shape of a widow. Very white dress and (in a) lamenting mood She came to Bali Mahārāja . In the morning Bali Mahārāja was distributing, dāna, charity. Any who can come and ask he can give anything to them. He has promised. So, so many persons were there and wanting something and he was distributing in charity. He saw that a very lamenting lady is there. She has no good clothes and she is lamenting there and she is not coming to me to ask but anything she wants he knew. So, when all went (away), after their departure, he called the lady. She came. Bali Mahārāja did praṇāma to that lady.

He told, "Who are you? I think you are (a) brāhmaṇa lady. You are so pious. Do you require anything?"

She told that, "Yes, brāhmaṇa's wife. I am so sorry I have everything has gone away. So, I want something."

"You can ask me."

She told that, “I will not ask until you give promise that 'I will give.'"

He told that, "I promise that what you will ask I will give you."

Then She made a indication towards Vāmanadeva and She told that, "I want Him. He is my husband. You have captured. I want back. You should make Him free so that I can live with Him."

He began to laugh. He is a great, great cheater and you are cheater of cheaters. And at last he said, "Yes you can take Him. But He should live also here so that I may always see and may always worship (Him). I want."

Then He (Vāmanadeva) kept there His manifestationand He went to Vaikuṇṭha.

So, now he is requesting Narayana, “You should not go anywhere I am keeping Your feet here. So without my permission you should go because they cheat You."

So,

śrī-niketanam

lakhs of Lakṣmīdevīs is abode of Nārāyaṇa, Kṛṣṇa.

In other times they are saying that Śrīmati Rādhikā's lap is the abode of your very many things and why You have left that thing? They are accussing Kṛṣṇa here and also relating to that Nārāyaṇa story. You can keep Your feet in the lap of Lakṣmīdevī and Lakṣmīdevī is not Your wife, yet You can do. Why You can not give Your lotus feet in our laps? Then Kṛṣṇa was defeated. Then again they told to keep His lotus feet on their breasts then Kṛṣṇa said that, "Your breasts are so much warm. So, I can not keep My feet there."

Then they are telling,

 phaṇi-phaṇārpitaṁ

means serpent and this is the hood. You can keep Your lotus feet, so soft and so fragrant and so, śītala, cool, on the heads of Kālīya in which so much, viṣa, poison (is there). There You feel no warm and it makes (the) whole world so burned (so that) all the birds in the sky which are flying go down and burned. So many cows, so many persons, so many buffalos and all things, even no trees there. All are (burned) but You feel some coldness there, on the hoods of Kālīya? Our (breast) is not so warm, yet You are feeling warm. Why?

te padāmbujaṁ

So, Kṛṣṇa is rising objections and they are cutting all the objections.

kṛṇu kuceṣu

So, you should keep no sinful.

tṛṇa-carānugaṁ

Your feet are soft but yet You follow cows everywhere.

śrī-niketanam

You have no fear for keeping Your feet on the breast of Lakṣmīdevī.

Kaṁsa has sent him there to kill Kṛṣṇa so you but he could not do. So you have no fear of sin, you have no fear for adharma, you have no fear for agni, fire, poison, Kaṁsasura (demon) You have no fear of anything. You are fearless. So, you can keep your lotus feet…

Kṛṣṇa became... Kṛṣṇa could not give answer to them. These answers. This is the meaning of this śloka.

GBC: praṇata-dehināṁ

when the were first saying it was sinful but then You are our life...and then we will die and then...

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