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1991 10 04 MATHURA SATSVARUPA SWAMI MEETS SRILA BV NM Maharaja meeting TKG 10 9 91 t3

GBC: Sometimes, um, when we have greed to get something, then we think we want that thing and then we think that some of gurudeva's services, um, we think that, "Well, without gurudeva's mercy we can not get that thing" and so to get gurudeva's mercy we are ready to do any sort of service. But then sometimes I feel that, um, then my service to gurudeva is not in the right mood because I am serving him to get something, not just to please him. Do you understand the question? So, how to address this?

Srila Gurudeva: (There is) Some ... is in this question. We take mahā-prasādam, we sleep, we take rest, do anything. Why we take mahā-prasādam? This is guru-sevā or not? If we sleep this is gurusevā or not? If we want anything it is gurusevā or not? We should think first. We should know that I am sleeping for the service of gurudeva. I am taking mahā-prasādam for the service of gurudeva. I have greed I want to fulfill it for the service of gurudeva.

Then what..?

GBC: No contradiction…

Srila Gurudeva: No contradiction I think (giggle).

Satsvarupa Maharaja you agree with me or not?

Satsvarupa Maharaja: Yes.

Srila Gurudeva: Certainly we are doing for gurudeva. Everything. We want to serve Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa (but) this is not coming. At first it is called niṣkāma, that we are not satisfied with this stage (rather), we want to serve Kṛṣṇa. Only for Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa and gurudeva will be so much pleased with the service of Kṛṣṇa so we want all these things. So, greed is for service of our gurudeva and Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa. I think like this.

Once Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira prayed (to) Kṛṣṇa that I want something from You. Kṛṣṇa told that, "It is āścarya, (a very wonderful thing), that why you are wanting something from Me? I know you have never asked anything or prayed anything from Me but yet I see that you are wanting something. It is a fact of wonders. What it may be?"

"I want something."

"What you want?"

He told that, "I want that I should have a very beautiful wife. And so qualified sons and daughters. And very good kingdom. Very good soldiers and everything. That I want. It will be so good that in whole world there should be not."


GBC: Yes.

Srila Gurudeva: Huh? My English…?

GBC: Perfect.

Srila Gurudeva: Kṛṣṇa told, "Why you want so? This is kauna," means desire, "Why you are desiring the very beautiful lady, beautiful kingdom, all these things?”

He told, “I see in a day that all are very afraid that one who devotes (themselves) to Kṛṣṇa becomes poor. Kṛṣṇa takes all good things and he becomes a street beggar. So, all fear and they don't want to serve Kṛṣṇa. So, I want that if I have a beautiful lady, wife, so much qualified sons and so much vast kingdom that all will see that by serving Kṛṣṇa all things are…So, I want that everyone can see how prosperous and how good I am with qualified wife, children and kingdom and all will come to serve Kṛṣṇa."

If he had not done so, and only he prayed (to) Kṛṣṇa that, "Give me this and this and this," then anyone can be misguided. But if he told this fact and he had so much anartha that his everything is what…?

He calls Kṛṣṇa, in Śrī Bṛhad-bhāgavatāmṛta it is stated, that Yudhiṣṭhira Mahārāja, Draupadī, Arjuna and all are praying that, "Oh Kṛṣṇa save me, save me. So many dangerous things have come from Duryodhana with the help of Jarāsandha and all other demons. They have done atikramam to us, attacked us. So, save me."

Draupadī is feeling so much shame, she should be protected. Actually there was nothing there. They are pretending only that Kṛṣṇa anyhow should come and we can serve Him. So, they created something so that Kṛṣṇa may come there. So all the calamity for Yudhiṣṭhira Mahārāja and for the Pāṇḍavas are for the service of Kṛṣṇa. So bhāva-bhaktas, those who are surrendered souls, surely surrendered souls, what they miss, what they do, they do for Kṛṣṇa's service and gurudeva's service. Kṛṣṇa's service is gurudeva's service and gurudeva's service is for Kṛṣṇa and Rādhā. No difference at all.

Anything wrong?

GBC: Well, an additional question to that would be, “But we have to know, but gurudeva has to say, 'Yes, this service to me.' If I say I am doing this for gurudeva, don't I have to know from him that he accepts this service?"

Srila Gurudeva: If you are so qualified devotee of your gurudeva he will tell surely.

GBC: Even if he is not present physically.

Srila Gurudeva: But if (you) are not so qualified you will know it afterward.

A man is preaching, a devotee is preaching. Why he is preaching? He is preaching for his gurudeva because he will (be) pleased. He is telling hari-kathā to anyone, he is doing anything, he is only preaching doing and serving; everything is for his guru. Śrī Gurudeva. And this pleasure of gurudeva is the pleasure of Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa. Likewise, in Śrī Bṛhad-bhāgavatāmṛta we see that Gopa-kumāra came to, jansarma, Mathurā by the order of Śrīmati Rādhikā. So if jansarma is serving gurdeva he is serving to Śrīmati Rādhikā but he does not know that Śrīmati Rādhikā has sent him and he has come. And he is himself Kṛṣṇa. So, guru is very near and dear. What he does he does for Kṛṣṇa. So, the devotees should know that the service of guru is service of Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa.

If he is feeling separate desire then he is not guru at all.


If gurudeva has any separate wish than to serve Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa, then, in my vision, he is not gurudeva. There is something lacking. He may be madhyama-adhikārī, (but) he is not uttama-adhikārī.

tomara icchaya mora iccha misailo
bhakativinoda aja apane bhulilo

[My desire has become one with Yours. From this day Bhaktivinoda has no other identity. Aham Mama Saba Arthe (8)]

Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura is telling that, "I am mixed my whole wishes in your wishes.

tomara icchaya mora iccha misailo
bhakativinoda aja apane bhulilo

Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura is telling that, "At that time, when I mixed my all wishes to Kṛṣṇa, I will forget myself, that I am Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura, (and) then I will remember I am Kamala manjari.

Uh (giggles)?

GBC: Yes.

Srila Gurudeva: But always we should practice vaidhi-bhakti also. Those bhaktis who are opposite of this bhāva, only they should be avoided. Otherwise, all vaidhi-bhakti should be adopted. They are essential.

śrī-prahrāda uvāca
śravaṇaṁ kīrtanaṁ viṣṇoḥ
 smaraṇaṁ pāda-sevanam
arcanaṁ vandanaṁ dāsyaṁ
 sakhyam ātma-nivedanam
iti puṁsārpitā viṣṇau
 bhaktiś cen nava-lakṣaṇā
kriyeta bhagavaty addhā
 tan manye ’dhītam uttamam

[Prahlāda Mahārāja said: Hearing and chanting about the transcendental holy name, form, qualities, paraphernalia and pastimes of Lord Viṣṇu, remembering them, serving the lotus feet of the Lord, offering the Lord respectful worship with sixteen types of paraphernalia, offering prayers to the Lord, becoming His servant, considering the Lord one’s best friend, and surrendering everything unto Him (in other words, serving Him with the body, mind and words) — these nine processes are accepted as pure devotional service. One who has dedicated his life to the service of Kṛṣṇa through these nine methods should be understood to be the most learned person, for he has acquired complete knowledge. S.B. (7.5.23-24)]

And among 64 kinds of bhakti which are something opposite to any sthāyī bhāva then they should be checked.

GBC: Do you know the story of Kṛṣṇa dasa babaji.

Srila Gurudeva: What Kṛṣṇa dasa Babaji?

GBC: He was about 150 years ago. He was, uh, I heard from one old gauḍīya vaiṣṇava. He was a siddha-puruṣa he was in uh…

Srila Gurudeva: To whom he was disciple?

GBC: I didn’t ask that.

Srila Gurudeva: He is in our guru-paramparā?

GBC: Who told me? Or Kṛṣṇa dasa Babaji?

Srila Gurudeva: Who Kṛṣṇa dasa Babaji?

GBC: OK, maybe I won’t tell that part. I'll just ask directly the question. Um...

Srila Gurudeva: Something of Kṛṣṇa dasa Babaji Mahārāja we avoid. Your gurudeva also used to avoid. Something. Only his chanting of harināma.

(pointing to someone else) This Kṛṣṇa dasa babaji Mahārāja you have told this story?

GBC(a): Different one.

GBC: No, this one, this was about 150 years before.

Srila Gurudeva: Who has told you?

GBC: Um…Dīna-bandhu Mahārāja.

Srila Gurudeva: Who is Dīna-bandhu? He has no described by any sahajiyā vaiṣṇava. Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura, Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura, Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura, Baladeva Vidyābhūṣaṇa Ṭhākura, Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura, these are of 150 or 200 years. Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura is from about 100 years. He was about 100 years before. He was present but he has not accepted all these things. We should accept only guru-paramparā, that is āmnāya-vidhinā for all these things.


Only āmnāya-vidhinā. Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura is in āmnāya-vidhinā, Śrīla Baladeva Vidyābhūṣaṇa Ṭhākura is also less than 150 years. Jagannātha dāsa Babaji Mahārāja, Gaurakiśora Dāsa Bābājī Mahārāja, Śrīla Prabhupāda Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura, – if there was anything they might have told these facts.

GBC: So, Kṛṣṇa dasa Babaji is an example of someone who fell down. I'm not quoting him as authority. I'm telling what calamity happened to him and what my fear is. So, you can guide me. But I don’t need to tell his story. I can just ask the question.

Srila Gurudeva: About jackfruit? Govindaji?

GBC: No, (chuckles).

Srila Gurudeva: What?

GBC: So, I will just ask the question.

Srila Gurudeva: No, no, you can tell…

GBC: I can tell the background? He supposed to be a siddha-puruṣa and meditation was aṣṭa-kālīya-līlā. Then some friend of his invited him to go to Dvārakā. So, he thought, "OK, I will go to Dvārakā." And he decorated himself with the four symbols of Viṣṇu and he went to Dvārakā. Then afterwards when he returned to Vraja and when he tried to meditate he couldn't get back that (aṣṭa-kālīya-)līlā and for some days he couldn't succeed. Then one night Lalitā-devī came to him in a dream and she told him that you have been cut from the list of Vraja. Then he felt very much seperation and then some fire started to come from his feet and he called some devotees to come to bring some paraphenelia for yajña and he just consumed himself in fire.

So, my question is this: That some devotees are requesting me to go to Dvārakā for some preaching function and especially since I heard this story I feel just afraid to go. Not that I am on any platform. So, I wanted your advice whether to go and if I do go what should be my mood or what should be my prayer if I go?

Srila Gurudeva: You should go. Certainly go and do preaching. No harm. It is your duty because we are not in that stage.

GBC: Yeah, I know.

Srila Gurudeva: If we are in that stage then we should not go. And you are not going to worship Rukmiṇī. You are going only to do paracāra-nāma of Kṛṣṇa name. And there you will tell certainly that Nanda-nanda is Supreme Lord.


GBC: Yes.

Srila Gurudeva: And his is rasika and Dvārakādhīśa is part of manifestion of Vrajanandana. You are going to do service of your gurudeva. But when you are in that mood, nothing to do, only to think (about) Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa, not to leave Vṛndāvana, and not to think any thing (emphasis added). Then you should go. But you are going hither and thither preaching and actual greed is not there. If there is actual greed then greed don't think anything whether it is bad or good or bad thing or nothing. It becomes desperate at all. If wrong, I will do wrong. To fulfill that greed. (If) It is bad or good, no sense is there. I will have, whether it is good or bad. No śāstra yukti. Nothing, anything. That is pure bhakti. I will do to any sin or anything to (any) extent but I want to have this. By theft, by dacoity, or by good will, or by sadachara or anything, I must have.

He is telling, Prabhodānanda Sarasvatī, or anyone, it has been written in Śrī Śikṣāṣṭaka and Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī's Śrī Upadeśāmṛta,

janmo yatha tathyam.

(If) anyone is telling against me, no harm. If anyone is praising (me), no harm. They should say what they like, but I want this. This is greed. So if greed comes then it can't be thought that, "I should go or not. Why I am going." But we know that we are not in such a stage that we should not go. It will come after so many births. If (it) comes, we will think that we are very, very fortunate. Greed is something. Certainly, greed is, but it is very lean and thin. There should be knowldege hearing the pastimes and hari-kathā of vaiṣṇavas who have greed. By kalpanā, imagination, can not do; (thinking) that, "I have greed," lakṣaṇā will go, with pride, "I have come."

Anything more?

GBC: We were just talking about questions and I think Mahārāja...

Srila Gurudeva: Have you done your vicāra there? Very well?

GBC: Better than usual.

Srila Gurudeva: Some devotees have taken harināma or dīkṣā there. They have adopted.

Not anything more?

We should try to read the books of Śrīla Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura, Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura. It will be very, very (good). And we should do vaidhi-bhakti with heart. Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura and Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura have written that those persons who will do vaidhi-bhakti accordingly and sincerely, they will enter into rāgānuga-bhakti.

They are given assurance. Those who will do vaidhi-bhakti sincerely, they will have association of a rāgānuga-bhakta. By hearing the pastimes and hari-kathā they will enter into rāgānuga. Our goal is that but standard and qualification should also (come). So, there is no hurry for this. You should not have the sahajiyā. We have to follow the path according to our gurudeva and guru-paramparā.

GBC: I think that it is too late to say there is no hurry for us. It is too late to say that now. I think maybe Mahārāja is doing a little cheating (chuckling).

Srila Gurudeva: No, No. No cheating at all. There are so persons I can cheat, but no.

GBC: Now in Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī's prayers, he prayed to Subala for the service of Śrīmati Rādhikā and Kṛṣṇa. He prays to Lalitā-devī, Viśākhā, and Subala. But Subala has some mādhurya. He is a priya-narma sakhā so he has some access in that. Now, if someone is not in that rāsa, either in mādhurya or priya-narma sakhā, but he is an associate of Kṛṣṇa, can a sādhaka pray to him to appeal to Kṛṣṇa to give him some bhāva of some higher rāsa, or is that considered not appropriate to approach someone who is not in the same rāsa that one aspires for?

Srila Gurudeva: More clearly.

GBC: Say, Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī has prayed to Subala, so Subala actually has access to that. But say we visit temples where there may be dieties of associates of Kṛṣṇa but who are not in that rāsa, but is it a fact that because they are Kṛṣṇa's associates, even if they are not in that rāsa, they could ask Kṛṣṇa to give that to somebody else.

Srila Gurudeva: Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī, Śrī Raghunātha Dāsa Gosvāmī, also Jīva Gosvāmī in his Saṅkalpa-kalpadruma, Śrīla Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura has also written some Saṅkalpa-kalpadruma. They have prayed so many things and prayed to all what you are telling. We can read and do stava-stutis of that points. But, Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī has written that:

hā devī! kāku-bhara-gadgadayādya vācā yāce nipatya bhuvi daṇḍavad udbhaṭārtiḥ       asya prasādam abudhasya janasya kṛtvā gāndharvike! nija-gaṇe gaṇanāṁ vidhehi 

[O Devī Gāndharvikā! I am suffering greatly, and therefore today I throw myself on the ground like a stick and humbly implore You with a choked voice to be merciful to this fool and please count me as one of Your own. Śrī Gāndharvā-Samprārthanāśṭakam (2)]

That is the most superior, highest prārthanā of Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa.

līnāḿ nikuñja-kuhare bhavatīḿ mukunde
citraiva sūcitavatī rucirākṣi nāham
bhugnā bhruvaḿ na racayeti mṛṣā-ruṣaḿ tvām
agre vrajendra-tanayasya kadānuneṣye

[When, as You playfully hide in a forest cave, and Citrā hints that now, O beautiful-eyed one, You are trapped by Mukunda, and I say, "Don't knit Your eyebrows," will I lead You, as You feign anger, into the presence of the prince of Vraja? Śrī Stavamala (Vol 2. {Śrī Gāndharvā-prārthanāṣṭaka} Verse 7)]

Once, Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī, is telling: that once Śrīmati Rādhikā was hiding in a Vṛndāvana or Govardhana kuñja. She fled away from Kṛṣṇa and hid herself in any kuñja. Kṛṣṇa was searching for Rādhā; Lalitā-devī, Viśākhā and all were there. They were like this, clapping, and enjoying. Sometimes they tell Kṛṣṇa (that) Śrīmati Rādhikā is there. Actually She is there but Kṛṣṇa knows She is not here so He does not go there, He goes to another kuñja; then they all are clapping. They know that Śrīmati Rādhikā is there. So, likewise, they are clapping and laughing at Śrī Kṛṣṇa. At last Citrā, one of the eight sakhīs, indicates that she is hiding in this special kuñja. Kṛṣṇa, having faith, He went there but Rādhikā is not knowing actually who had told Kṛṣṇa that I am here. Rūpa-mañjarī was at the gate of that kuñja.

She called Rūpa-mañjarī and told, "Why you let this sacred place to Kṛṣṇa?" And She became somewhat angry to Rūpa-mañjarī.

Rūpa-mañjarī at once told Śrīmati Rādhikā praying, that, “Why You are so angry upon me? I have not done so. Citrā has done so. So You should be angry with Citrā. Why to me? I have not done so."

This is the very highest thinking and a very good service to Śrīmati Rādhikā. They want, and Rūpa-mañjarī also wanted, that Kṛṣṇa should meet Her and Citrā had done good. Rūpa-mañjarī also. And by doing so outwardly Śrīmati Rādhikā will be anger something but She will be so much pleased. They know (this). But yet she is telling that, "You should not be angry with me. I have not done so. You should have mercy upon me."

What should we do with this point? Should we neglect this point? Or we should read and chant these things like mantra? What should we do? If you have a little bit of greed, rāgānuga, we should read and read and read. Daily we should read. And this is called istal-stuti. If I have greed we should do all these things that a greed a may come to me. And when our fortune will come, it will be like so and have the mercy of Rūpa-mañjarī and Rūpa Gosvāmī. So we should read and recite all these things. It is also a kind of bhakti. By reciting their poems their stava and stuti we will be very care.

But I am sakhī, I am going to enter into this we (should be careful). When our siddha-bhāva and rati that is in rāgātmikā gaṇa, Lalitā, Viśākhā, all are rāgātmikā associates of Kṛṣṇa and Rādhikā. We should not be one of them. But we should think and do kīrtana, stava, stuti of all these things. If you are thinking that we are one of them but you have not gained the bhāva that is in rāgātmikā gaṇa that is hlādinī and samvit. The sāram, essence of hlādinī and samvit, that is called prema and it is always in rāgātmikā gaṇa. When it comes as a shadow of prema it is called rati or bhāva. Then we should do all these things that I am a gopī, or what you are. At that time you will know your svarūpa.

So, before these things we should not pretend to do all these things. We should try to achieve all these things by the service of our gurudeva, vaiṣṇavas, śāstra and we should do.

(question about samādhi? Noisy, unclear sound).

Srila Gurudeva: (apnajñāna) means "what is known in samādhi." Not perception don't you know?

GBC: Yes, direct perception.

Srila Gurudeva: Yes, seeing that whole eyes it is written, it is apnajñāna. And samādhi, realized in samādhi, and what we write. These are apnajñāna, and then (there are) purāṇas. Purāṇa has so many qualities. Śrīmad Bhāgavatam has 10 qualities and other purāṇas have 5.

What has happened before and it historical fact, it is called itihas, such as purāṇas. So, he is telling that it is all things combined. Sun is running after his wife son there. Sunday is time when sun is going to set. This is uppa. Real Bhāgavatam has been written so many things. Similarly, Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura has written all these things. Everything is there. So no harm. Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura because he has seen everything in samādhi, everything, that siddhānta and Kṛṣṇa līlā pastimes, Caitanya Mahāprabhu and all siddhānta bhakti. No? So it is apnajñāna. So, Rūpa has changed the name, but name was real, it may be. So here it is Rūpa but yet it is two.

GBC: I was telling him that I was reading Panjavali...

Srila Gurudeva: Panjavali?

GBC: Yes. I was telling him that that book was so wonderful.

Srila Gurudeva: You are reading in English, with commentaries?

GBC: No book has any commentary.

Srila Gurudeva: No commentary?

GBC: No. All of the books have no commentaries that are in English.

Srila Gurudeva: There are short commentaries. All books of gosvāmīs are so much rich and useful that we can get help from.

GBC: That book is clear that Rūpa Gosvāmī has written just for the sake of those who are, in the future, who will be doing that sādhana. He wrote that book.

Srila Gurudeva: Rūpa Gosvāmī, Narottama gosvāmī, Jīva Gosvāmī, Raghunātha Dāsa Gosvāmī, Kṛṣṇa dasa gosvāmī, Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura, so much vaiṣṇava that anyone if they can very good. Without reading all these books but qualified vaiṣṇava.

GBC: It is not possible to become qualified without reading those books.

Srila Gurudeva: Especially in rāgānuga bhakti. And the purpose of vaidhi-bhakti is also rāgānuga. All have been told. Not to be confined in whole life, afterlife, and finding. They will do paracāra by vaidhi-bhakti it will follow rāgānuga, try…

First you can…. They have finished it in one day we have five or six days. You have English books. This is really for practicing rāgānuga(in the) first stage. And very essential.

I am a sādhaka, not siddha. Svāmīji or Guruji was siddha. They are independent by reading (or) by doing anything. We have not seen our gurudeva reading any book; but we have seen that he has read books many books. Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu, Ujjvala-nīlamaṇi, and all these books. (I could not see when he was reading these books, but I know he was reading). Svāmīji maharaja was also always reading. Not a single minute he was (not). They are siddha-puruṣa. They have come from... We read, we think, we hear, (and) then we can tell it. What they told,what they have said, no need to see whether it is wrong or right. They will conclude they are right, what they have written or told.

GBC: I have a question about writing. I like to write books about our Śrīla Prabhupāda. Mostly these books are of memories of being with him or some reflections about his work. But this is all in his form as we know him in this world. I do not know his eternal liberated form. So, one question is: Is it alright to go on writing many books about Prabhupāda in the form I knew him? And the other question is: How can I begin approach Prabhupāda in writing to understand his eternal spiritual form? Two questions. Are these books valuable just about the memories of him as we knew him?

Srila Gurudeva: I think that the ideas of Rūpa Gosvāmī and other gosvāmīs, (such as) Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura and all gosvāmīs, their spiritual idea of svāmīji...

So, the ideas of all gosvāmīs are (the same) ideas of svāmīji. He wanted to do paracāra of all these things. So, the inner ideas of svamaji is (also the) inner ideas of all gosvāmīs. So you can do all these things. He has done a lot of things. Mostly he has done only for general people. Something he has done in Śrīmad Bhagavad-gītā for special persons, qualified persons. Otherwise, when time came to give his pen to these things he went away. He could not have time to do all these things. So, all the ideas of our gosvāmī, Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura and all others, his ideas are the same. Every ideas from Śrīmad Bhāgavata commentary, you can take and see what he wants. In his writing. He has not done anything especially for rāgānuga. And at that time he had no need at all to do all these things. You can read authentic books. Now in the market so many kinds of nonsense things are coming. As sahajiyā, we should not follow sahajiyā. You can do all these things. Bṛhad-bhāgavatāmṛta.

Śrī Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu, your Prabhupāda has written?

GBC: Yes.

Srila Gurudeva: He has written very short or all ślokas he has?

GBC: Actually, it is all there. He covered everything.

Srila Gurudeva: Like first śloka:

anyābhilāṣitā-śūnyaṁ jñāna-karmādy-anāvṛtam
ānukūlena kṛṣṇānu-śīlanaṁ bhaktir uttamā

[When first-class devotional service develops, one must be devoid of all material desires, knowledge obtained by monistic philosophy, and furtive action. The devotee must constantly serve Kṛṣṇa favorably, as Kṛṣṇa desires. (Madhya 19.167)]

Here, Rūpa Gosvāmī, or Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura, has given his commentaries and without commentaries I think it is not completed. We can not take complete thing. ānuśīlanaṁ means...

GBC: Cultivation.

Srila Gurudeva: He has given that any word, the root of every word. To go to come. There are so many meanings of one root. Your mind is going off? Your mind goes not only walking by foot. The root covers so many meanings. So here, ānuśīlanaṁ has so meanings. Vast many meanings in his stomach. Here one meaning is ceṣṭāḥ (which) means activities of (the) mind. Activities of body, senses and activities of tongue. Also, there are two kinds of meanings. These are special words. (This) means (things to do). With tongue, mind and senses. And (this) means not to do by all these things. We should not meet with the persons who have no bhakti. Those who are sahajiyā, those who are mayāvādī, and not to do against bhakti. These are (the) meaning(s). And one meaning is that not doing by three things, but (this). (This) means ceṣṭāḥ, which means activities, no activities; I can not tell any more special word. Bhāvātmikā you know? Prema is and bhāva is bhāvātmikā. Tongue mind and by body, bhāva can not come. It is beyond the reach of all these things. Kṛṣṇa is my priyatama. I am Rādhikā dāsī, and I like to serve Śrīmati Rādhikā and Kṛṣṇa and all the associates. Here, mind, body and anything can not do. This will come from a rāgātmikā-bhakta who is rāgātmikā-jñāna. Lalitā, Viśākhā, Śrīdāmā, Subala.

GBC: Paricara.

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Srila Gurudeva: By following, by prayer and by the mercy of Kṛṣṇa and His associates. Until this comes, bhāva will not come. And at that time, only mental imagination only. It is somewhat better but it can not take place of bhāva. When bhāva will come, then bhāvātmikā bhāva will come. And from bhāva to prema, sneha, māna, praṇaya, rāga, anurāga, bhāva, mahābhāva. To there all are including bhāva. So, uttamā-bhakti goes up to mahābhāva. Beginning from rati or bhāva. So these are not in activities of mental or bodily things. So this is called ānuśīlanaṁ. Not only to Kṛṣṇa; Kṛṣṇa and His associates both. If you only culture Kṛṣṇa, no bhakti. If you lift Kṛṣṇa and take all the associates it will not (be). But it will be because gopīs are not separate; or His associates are not separate. So all these things should be taken. And ānuśīlanaṁānu means nirantara, continuously, without any stop. In Hindi we can say (quote); if there is honey and we are lifting the bottle and a limb comes up to last point. No break. This is called (Hindi quote). When my māna do smaraṇa or kīrtana or do bhakti ānuśīlanaṁ, it will be like this, continuous. Then uttamā bhakti. And if in the middle or anything cut, then it is not uttamā bhakti. It may madhyama or kaniṣṭha bhakti. Ānu means anugatya in (the) guidance of rasika-tattva-siddhānta-vaiṣṇava. Until it is not done bhakti is not uttamā bhakti. Madhyama is not there. So always under the guidance of (vaiṣṇava). Guidance are of two kinds. Direct and indirect. Now, you are in guidance of your gurudeva indirectly. But anyhow it will be told directly also. Not indirectly. He will give everything in your heart if you have so much bhakti. Directly as a śikṣā-guru in the absence of dīkṣā-guru. But faith will be the same as in our dīkṣā-guru and śikṣā-guru but they should be both qualified in (the) same category. Otherwise by imitation we can not do śrāddha to anyone like that. Like Sanātana Gosvāmī is dīkṣā-guru and Rūpa Gosvāmī is śikṣā-guru. Both are in (the) same level. No problem is there. So that we can correct and we can have so much faith in his words that we will not go hither and thither. What he will tell we’ll take as (truth).

GBC: Yes, without doubt. There is no doubt.

Srila Gurudeva: No doubt at all. One thing also he has written. Why anyābhilāṣitā is told there? Why not anyābhilāṣ? (The root) word is anyābhilāṣ but Rūpa Gosvāmī he has written anyābhilāṣitā. What is the meaning of anyābhilāṣitā?

sākṣād-dharitvena samasta-śāstrair uktas tathā bhāvyata eva sadbhiḥ kintu prabhor                 yaḥ priya eva tasya vande guroḥ śrī caraṇāravindam 

[All the scriptures proclaim Śrī Gurudeva is sākṣāt hari, the direct potency of Śrī Hari, and is thus considered by saintly authorities to be His non-different representative. Because Śrī Gurudeva is so dear to the Lord, being His confidential servitor (acintya-bhedābheda- prakāśa-vigraha, the inconceivable different and non-different worshipable manifestation of the Lord), I offer prayers unto his lotus feet. Śrī Gurvaṣṭakam (7)]

One word is hari but here it is written haritvena. Here haritvena means the qualities of hari; this is haritvena – not directly hari. So guru has the qualities of hari – but he is actually dāsahari (servant). Not actually Kṛṣṇa. Here, what is the meaning of anyābhilāṣ?

GBC: Without separate motive.

Srila Gurudeva: (Other) than serving Kṛṣṇa and His associates. He is not telling this. He is telling anyābhilāṣitā. Anyābhilāṣitā means when you are in sense, no problem at all, quite in good health and body and mind, if you are, no problem is there. And at that time if you do anyābhilāṣ it is called anyābhilāṣ. But when you are in danger, at once you fell in danger, some wicked persons came and they try to kill you and at that time, by fear you are telling that, "Oh Kṛṣṇa save me." That it is not anyābhilāṣitā. No? In your sense no problem at all, if you desire anything that, "Oh Kṛṣṇa save me." If you are in good health and everything is right; if you are wanting something then it is anyābhilāṣ. No? But anyābhilāṣitā if you are not in everything is right and like I have told you, in calamity, if you for a moment you want anything and after that you repent. That I have told so. It is not anyābhilāṣ; so anyābhilāṣ should be removed. There should be no inner part for always you have another; but in danger, or anything, if you tell, "Oh Kṛṣṇa save me, give me something for your sevā or anything," then it is not opposite to bhakti. Understand this? I have no suitable words to clarify.

GBC: Yes.

Srila Gurudeva: If any vaiṣṇava gives up his body, that is he is no more, he has died. If anyone wants to do śrāddha it is against the cult of vaiṣṇavas. No śrāddha should be done because he has chanted harināma he has heard the Śrīmad Bhāgavatam kathā, always he has done gurusevā, he has done everything. So, actually there should be no śrāddha. But for general mass, having no śrāddha in śrāddha and he for the general mass, together if he does śrāddha having no śrāddha at all and if he does then it is not against bhakti. It is for preaching only. So it is not anyābhilāṣ. So I think that Svāmīji has not clear all these things. He has written in summary. So, if you can do it according to Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura, Jīva Gosvāmī, giving all these things clearly, it will be so useful for all these things. He has done in sūtra, so you can do (more explanations).

I wanted to do all these things but health is not permitting me. I have no so much things that you have and all other things you can do. At first we have to many lot of service of gurudeva is there. We can invent sevā.

GBC: So many of our books which are being translated now have no commentaries. And the commentaries are so important.

Srila Gurudeva: Without commentary no soul is…

GBC: Yes

Srila Gurudeva: Any book of gosvāmīs. We have read Śikṣāṣṭaka but when we read commentary of Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura everything is clear.

GBC: Sarva Babana had translated it with the commentary of Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura.


Transcribed: Devananda dāsa August 2012