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2000 06 24 USA ALACHUA DARSHAN SRILA PRABHUPADA DISCIPLES TAPE 159

Śrīla Gurudeva: I don’t want to make anyone fit for worldly life. I have knife to cut.

Devotee: Jaya Gurudeva!

Śrīla Gurudeva: And now you are going to be old.

Devotee: Yes.

Śrīla Gurudeva: Your age…? Over 50?

Devotee: 50 now. This is it.

Śrīla Gurudeva: So, you have passed half. You should be in what stage? Vānaprastha. And then again…

Brajanātha dāsa: Last night he was in saffron. (laughter amongst devotees).

Devotee: No he wasn't.

Devotee: It's dangerous.

Śrīla Gurudeva: Dangerous, very dangerous. You can sit here.

(Laughter amongst devotees.) If you are sitting there always chance of like that.

Devotee: I want this. I want…dāsa. I’m holding forever.

Śrīla Gurudeva: You should be prepared for that. Because your wife has left.

Devotee: Yes.

Śrīla Gurudeva: No need of (indistinct). You should try to be the maidservant of gopīs now. And serve your Prabhupāda. More qualified than anyone in ISKCON.

Devotee: I will need to…

Śrīla Gurudeva: Yes, you should be…

Devotee: …be with you, Gurudeva…

Śrīla Gurudeva: Yes.

Devotee: I am very weak by myself.

Śrīla Gurudeva: I will guide you. I will give you some lessons. Some ślokas to remember and thus you can preach like that.

Then, what? Why you called all? To speak this? They can speak what they want.

Devotee: Then want to come and have some association with you. Maybe someone has some questions they’d like…

Śrīla Gurudeva: Yes, they can…

Devotee: …to put. Anyone have any questions?

Devotee: About the gāyatrī mantra.

Śrīla Gurudeva: Help me.

Brajanātha dāsa: About gāyatrī mantra.

Śrīla Gurudeva: Not open. These are not things to be opened.

Brajanātha dāsa: It’s not to be discussed openly. This is private gāyatrī.

Devotee: Oh, I was just wondering whether you can help me with the gāyatrī mantra because I heard it…

Śrīla Gurudeva: Your Gurudeva have given it…

Devotee: …yeah, in 19…

Śrīla Gurudeva: …and be very fixed and have so much faith on him.

Devotee: But I don’t know too much about the meaning…

Śrīla Gurudeva: No need of knowing. Gāyatrī mantra is Himself Kṛṣṇa. If you have so much regard for gāyatrī mantra and pray that, “Oh, you should be manifested in my heart.” And I am giving so much outlines. In any mantra there is deity. Understand?

Brajanātha dāsa: Predominating deity.

Śrīla Gurudeva: We should try to have faith that He is my master. He can support and nourish me. And we will have to be śaraṇāgati to that deity. And then ātma-nivedana. By ātmā. And then chanting and remembering. You will be successful. Like Gopa-kumāra. He never knew the meaning of Gopāla mantra but doing, doing — in thousands of birth he knew. But Rūpa-Sanātana, Rūpa-Ragunātha, as a miracle they did their disciples in one life.

You should…if you are in my association, very easily it will come and you will advance. But be…have faith in your Gurudeva that he has not died, he is not far away from you, and I am helping you. And have faith like śikṣā guru to me. And then everything will be done.

I don’t want money, prestige…

Devotee: Followers.

Śrīla Gurudeva: …anything, I don’t want. I want to help you so that you can serve your guru.

Devotee: I was wondering if you could explain something about…in the Gauḍīya Maṭha there is Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa with Lord Caitanya, only. And I just set up an altar like that in my home but I don’t exactly understand the relationship of Lord Caitanya with Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa. How to see that?

Śrīla Gurudeva: You should know the meaning that Mahāprabhu is really Kṛṣṇa. Oh, here not writing that you will only writing. You should hear totally and then you could write anything. Otherwise you can not understand. Your mind will be divided into two.

Kṛṣṇa is…Mahāprabhu is same thing like Kṛṣṇa, blackish Kṛṣṇa. He is Supreme Personality of Godhead. He took the beauty and intrinsic mood of Rādhikā and that is why He is golden colored. Always in the mood of Rādhikā, but Kṛṣṇa. So, if Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa conjugal, their deities are there and if Mahāprabhu is there, Oh, He is the same as Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa. But if, instead of Mahāprabhu, Baladeva prabhu is there then He is different. He can not be with Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa because He is not Kṛṣṇa. Understand these things?

So, anyone can not be Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa conjugal. With Kṛṣṇa Baladeva may be — like Gaura-Nitāi. But where there is Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa Baladeva prabhu and Nitāi both can not be there. It is rasābhāsa, against rāsa. Then everything will be spoiled. You know that where Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa conjugal and Baladeva coming there. What will be? Rādhā will go away. He will do praṇāma. And Baladeva will never go there. Never. He knows all these things, etiquette.

So, we should know that Mahāprabhu is same as Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa conjugal. So, Mahāprabhu can be there but not Gaura-Nitāi. They can not. Baladeva prabhu can not be. Nṛsiṁhadeva can not be. More dangerous. Nṛsiṁhadeva can not be.

Devotee: Not possible to put…

Śrīla Gurudeva: Anyone can not be. Only guru can be but he will be in the shape of gopīs. Not in this male shape.

You should hear…don’t talk.

Devotee: I’m trying to understand how I should see Lord Caitanya. Should I see Him as guru? As a way to approach Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa?

Śrīla Gurudeva: Oh, you should hear my classes. So many things to know. In one day this doubt can not go. Gradually. From gradually…ground, you are in ground and from ground you will have to come. Then there will be no question about this.

Again from your gāyatrī mantra daily chanting. Have you gāyatrī mantra? You should chant your mantra more. Read the authentic books — Bhāgavata Gītā, and Caitanya-caritāmṛta. The books of Svāmīji, books of mine very attentively and gradually you will develop. Your all doubts will go away.

Devotee: One of our godbrothers has written a book about gāyatrī mantra.

Śrīla Gurudeva: I think it will not be authentic. I know because they don’t know anything. They can something but they have no realization. They have not heard from superiors. They have copied from here - this book, that book. It will not do. I know. If (unknown) Mahārāja has done, if Svāmīji himself he has done, anyone, like Jīva Gosvāmī has done, it will be authentic. We can not do. Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura, oh, he is authentic. More authentic Gopāla Guru and after him is Dhyancandra pandit. These are authentic. I think that if you read so many confusion and doubts will come and thus your bhajana will be ruined.

Devotee: Gurudeva, but if Mahārāja, Śrīla Prabhupāda, instructed someone to write something specific like 12th canto of Śrīmad Bhāgavatam…

Śrīla Gurudeva: I don’t believe. Then can tell like this. I don’t believe. He has told simple things because at that time they were like beginners. For beginners it can not be given so much high things. And he can not order it.

Brajanātha dāsa: But he has given order that they should finish the Śrīmad Bhāgavatam, 12th canto and 11th canto. Pradyumna prabhu. We met in New York.

Śrīla Gurudeva: Yes, but how he can do? He has no connection with Gurudeva.

Brajanātha dāsa: At that time they kicked him out.

Devotee: He was to do it with guidance of Śrīla Śrīdhar Mahārāja.

Śrīla Gurudeva: Yes, that is why they kicked him.

Devotee: I have to be very honest Mahārāja. I was there when Hridayananda Mahārāja was composing Bhāgavatam and he was having a subtle illicit affair with a woman. While he was translating 10th canto.

Śrīla Gurudeva: What? What?

Brajanātha dāsa: No…No…

Śrīla Gurudeva: I don’t…

Brajanātha dāsa: …don’t want to hear this…

Śrīla Gurudeva: …but those who are going to atheletics, colleges, and universities, how they make do? They can make so many doubts and everything. They can not write. They have no power to do this. Better they should original what Vyāsadeva has written or what your Gurudeva has done. No need of reading more. It will be better. And only translation of Vyāsadeva what he has done authentic. But if they will explain they will do blunder like Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya.

You know vedānta? He was hearing Mahāprabhu. Mahāprabhu told that the original sūtras are like sun. But when you are explaining these are like clouds. So, I think that explanation may be…

Devotee: Śrīla Nārāyaṇa Mahārāja, is it possible that you would give us the part that is absent from the Bhāgavatam?

Śrīla Gurudeva: I want but I have no time now. Kṛṣṇa should give me long life and intelligence and mercy. Especially I want the mercy of Caitanya Mahāprabhu and Rūpa Gosvāmī, Jīva Gosvāmī. I have written on Veṇu-Gīta. I have written some other things but I want to do whole. But if Kṛṣṇa likes. Following the commentaries of Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura, Jīva Gosvāmī, and Sanātana Gosvāmī. Like have done Gītā. I am satisfied, fully satisfied, what I have done on Gītā. That explanation has been divided into two — first Svāmīji Gītā As It Is, after that this. After finishing Svāmīji one can read this and he can have more, more, more things. Because he has taken some of Baladeva Vidyābhūṣaṇa and I have taken the guru of Baladeva Vidyābhūṣaṇa. So many things are there. In Baladeva Vidyābhūṣaṇa prabhu's so many tattva are there. And this tattva plus rāsa. Both.

What is time? 10 minutes.

Any problem?

Devotee: No problem.

Devotee: Some of the devotees were asking me if Prabhupāda was present in Mahāprabhu’s pastimes.

Śrīla Gurudeva: Why you want to know this?

Devotee: I can tell you in private.

Śrīla Gurudeva: Why not question that Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī or not, Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura, all. Why this question comes?

Devotee: It is a private matter. I can not discuss.

Śrīla Gurudeva: If he is a liberated associate of Mahāprabhu there should be no doubt at all that he was there or not. If doubt comes then you have no faith on him.

Devotee: No doubt.

Śrīla Gurudeva: But you have no faith like that. That is why question coming. If you are certain, “Oh, he was there. He was liberated.” But again question will come from you side, “Who was he at that time?”

Devotee: Different time.

Śrīla Gurudeva: I think that it will be better that you obey your Gurudeva and try to develop your Kṛṣṇa consciousness. I think we should not try to give our time in these questions. How to develop. The process, how we can take. How we can realize all these things. How we can be one-pointed. Not looking here and there. All desires should go away. How? All offenses and all kinds of unwanted things should go away. When I will see this world but not, what? Like I am seeing any forest but I am seeing Vṛndāvana. When a day will come. I will see this world but like Vṛndāvana. I will see all them like gopa, gopīs. Even any river, sea, what

Devotees: Yamunā, Kālindī.

Śrīla Gurudeva: So, we should try for this. When you will forget whole world then you can be. By the mercy of devotee (indistinct). And if, “Oh, this problem — very big problem. Oh, this problem — VERY big problem.” How you can remove? Then whole life you will removing problems and problems of webs coming.

More?

Devotee: Śrīla Gurudeva.

Śrīla Gurudeva: What?

Devotee: What is the fate of those who try to exploit or use the guru, or guru’s property, and how can they rectify themselves?

Śrīla Gurudeva: They can not correct. They have given up.

Devotee: Derailed.

Śrīla Gurudeva: Derailed. Gurudeva will reject them.

Devotee: Can they ever return in some manner?

Śrīla Gurudeva: If they will be sincere, repenting, they continue on. I have done wrong, oh, Gurudeva excuse me. I am yours. Then he will begin his journey again from the beginning. The guru niṣṭha is backbone of our bhajana. Backbone you know?

Devotee: Holds everything.

Śrīla Gurudeva: If no guru niṣṭha no (indistinct), he’s not devotee. Not devotee. He is more wretched than common person, those who are not doing bhajana. We should try to give more importance to śravaṇaṁ, kīrtanam, viṣṇu smaraṇam, like this. Chanting, remembering mantras. Then earning money and in family you are giving so much energy. Then Kṛṣṇa bhakti will come. And if you are not giving importance then what? Deviating, deviating, deviating and one day you will give up bhakti.

All the devotees you can see their character. Rūpa, Raghunātha, Sanātana Gosvāmī, Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura, Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura, Śrīla Prabhupāda, your Gurudeva also. What they did?

eta saba chāḍi' āra varṇāśrama-dharma
akiñcana hañā laya kṛṣṇaika-śaraṇa

[“Without hesitation, one should take exclusive shelter of Lord Kṛṣṇa with full confidence, giving up bad association and even neglecting the regulative principles of the four varṇas and four āśramas. That is to say, one should abandon all material attachment. CC Madhya (22.93)]

You know? Eta saba chāḍi' āra varṇāśrama-dharma — giving up all varṇāśrama-dharma. Akiñcana hañā layaakiñcana means?

Devotee: He became akiñcana — possessionless.

Devotee: Having nothing.

Śrīla Gurudeva: Only one Kṛṣṇa is his possession. varṇāśrama-dharma / akiñcana hañā laya kṛṣṇaika-śaraṇa.

śaraṇa lañā kare kṛṣṇe ātma-samarpaṇa
kṛṣṇa tāre kare tat-kāle ātma-sama

[“When a devotee thus fully surrenders unto Kṛṣṇa's lotus feet, Kṛṣṇa accepts him as one of His confidential associates. CC Madhya (22.102)]

Devotee: Then Kṛṣṇa accepts that person as good as Himself.

Śrīla Gurudeva: And then he begins his bhajana. Otherwise not. Eta saba — all worldly things giving up. Even varṇāśrama-dharma means wife, sister, husband, all. No attachment. Like Draupadī, like Arjuna, Bhīma. They had wives. They used to love their wives. Why? Because she was so much near and dear sakhī of Kṛṣṇa. Draupadī used to love her husbands. Why? Not to husbands. Because they were all surrendered to Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa used to serve them so Draupadī loved them. So, even gṛhastha, but like that. Their children and all. Like Abhimanyu and all others. Parīkṣit Mahārāja, you know? Like the son of, grandson of Kṛṣṇa, who he again discovered Vṛndāvana, Vajranabha. Like this. We should not think that we are ladies and we are very weak. I know they can be sometimes Chandi, more than Chandi. You should think that we are also powerful. Kṛṣṇa has given them so much, what?

Brajanātha dāsa: Good qualities.

Śrīla Gurudeva: Concessions. Oh, you should not do like all these things. You can give some preparations, very sweet and Kṛṣṇa will be happy and He will give you all His heart. For male.

Brajanātha dāsa: They want possessions, ego.

Śrīla Gurudeva: They have so many problems. To control all. They want to control their wife also, children also, even guru, even all. They will tell, “Oh, sister, give me water. Mother, give me water. Daughter, give me water.” Not giving water. This is the defect for males. Always controlling. And they are controlled. But sometimes they become very weak. This is the problem. So, you should try to be like that and serve Kṛṣṇa. Don’t be weak. Whether you are gṛhastha or renounced.

Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/
Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare

Oh, you are sleeping, I told you so many things. Useless I told all these things. You are disciple of Svāmīji? Oh! He told that you should go and sleep in the consul of devotees? Oh, you are following his orders. Very good. If he has told you and you can follow him, no harm.

Brajanātha dāsa: Quarter to twelve.

Śrīla Gurudeva: What?

Devotee: I hear Śrīla Prabhupāda used to write you every month while he was with us.

Śrīla Gurudeva: Yes, he wrote me and I used to answer.

Devotee: Those letters are gone?

Śrīla Gurudeva: Satsvarupa took it and vas. Never returned.

Devotee: Gurudeva. When you are chanting the holy name, harināma, what (indistinct)…?

Śrīla Gurudeva: Oh, you can not imagine. You can not. In hundreds of lives you can not. You should tell only, “Oh, prabhu. I am very wretched, fallen. You should save me. Take my all doubts. All offenses. Offenses are enemy. And those who have passed this stage, oh, more. Any high-class, like Raghunātha Dāsa Gosvāmī, he will go by his siddha-deha to Goloka Vṛndāvana and serving Kṛṣṇa. You can not imagine. Very high. Any devotee like this they are chanting and not in this world. Never. Where they are? They are in Kṛṣṇa and Rādhā and serving them with that body, siddha-deha. It is very hard to understand for general people.

Now — Gaura premānande!

Devotee: Hari hari bol!

Audience: Thank you Śrīla Gurudeva.

Śrīla Gurudeva: Thank you.

One person in whole is understanding and following, what I should think?

Brajanātha dāsa: Successful.

Śrīla Gurudeva: My preaching is successful. Surely my preaching here is successful. All the devotees are inspired. So, this credit goes to (28:52 indistinct). He invited and taking all the burden on his…So much thank you. And also not fully to you, your wife also.

Brajanātha dāsa: Anuradha.

Devotee: Your embarrassing Gurudeva. If I just invite and you weren’t coming, no one would come. So, my power is nothing.

Brajanātha dāsa: But burden is for you.

Devotee: I can rent tent only.

Śrīla Gurudeva: You can bring me. You can drag me from India. You have power to do so.

Devotee: It's the desire of the devotees, of the vaiṣṇavas, and you’ve responded very kindly to their desire, to fulfill their desire. We are feeling the need for some guidance, for some instruction and Prabhupāda has made arrangement that this instruction has appeared almost as if by magic.

Devotee: Ask Gurudeva not to leave.

Śrīla Gurudeva: I know that he has sprinkled his mercy otherwise anyone can not do like this. And he is always with me, in me. I know. Inspiring me. And what I am telling, their words, not my words.

Devotee: Mahārāja, can you make a promise, because when Śrīla Prabhupāda was here it was so difficult even to see him and I see differences between ISKCON and ourselves here as actually an opportunity to get more association with you.

Śrīla Gurudeva: What he tell?

Brajanātha dāsa: He is telling that if you can make a promise, when Śrīla Prabhupāda was here it was very hard to meet with him…

Śrīla Gurudeva: But you are seeing I am available for all.

Devotee: I understand. I understand but…

Śrīla Gurudeva: Anyone can not control me.

Brajanātha dāsa: His promise is that, what is your promise…?

Devotee: Even if all the differences are made up…

Brajanātha dāsa: …between ISKCON and…

Devotee: …they will not take our Vṛndāvana away from us, yourself.

Brajanātha dāsa: He says that even if all the differences between us and ISKCON society, institution, are taken away, that still you will be available, that you can meet with everyone.

Śrīla Gurudeva: I am always available. Always, always.

Brajanātha dāsa: He is worried if you go to ISKCON then they want to control you and no more availability.

Śrīla Gurudeva: I am still in ISKCON I am not…

Devotees: HARIBOL!

Śrīla Gurudeva: Anyone can not have right to take this. I have full right for this. I was always ISKCON, I am still, and for my whole life I will be ISKCON.

Devotee: Maya ISKCON and real ISKCON.

Devotee: Gurudeva, I have one question that I spoke with you last year and I am reluctant to ask you again. But we discussed about the subject of guru. There has been confusion, lots of papers written about the guru and who is guru. I know you always want us to think on the positive and you are reluctant to make any reference to anything else but in Prabhupāda’s books there are hundreds reference of different guru. Uttamā-adhikārī that is always the prime focus. But there’s other types of gurus. Is any other guru, other than uttamā-adhikārī, acceptable by a conditioned soul, to take even if temporary.

Śrīla Gurudeva: What temporary? What is your meaning of temporary?

Devotee: That means he may take him for life or he may take him short time until he meets…

Śrīla Gurudeva: If anyone is not uttamā-adhikārī and he is in madhyama-adhikārī he can be accepted as a guru if he is sincere and always serving his Gurudeva and in the line of our guru paramparā. Whether he not so much realization but he is very strong, chanting and remembering in high way, he can be accepted like guru. He will never fall down. So, we can accept him and then he will take us to uttamā-adhikārī, surely he will take us. And if he is uttamā-adhikārī but he is posing like madhyama-adhikārī and initiating and giving association, oh, he is always uttamā-adhikārī.

Śukadeva Gosvāmī came in the consul of Parīkṣit Mahārāja he became like madhyama-adhikārī. He saw that, “Oh, they are all karmī, jñānī, yogi, tapasī.” This is not qualification of uttamā-adhikārī. He will say that all are serving, all are uttamā-adhikārī. But for time being he was like so. And when he went out of the consul again he became like this.

Today vas.

Devotees: Śrīla Gurudeva kī jaya!

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