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Śrīla Gurudeva:

Śrī Guru praṇāma

ajñāna-timirāndhasya jñānāñjana-śalākayā caksur unmīlitaṁ yena tasmai śrī gurave namaḥ

O Gurudeva, you are so merciful. I offer my humble praṇāma to you and am praying from the core of my heart that, with the torchlight of divine knowledge, you open my eyes which have been blinded by the darkness of ignorance.

vāñchā-kalpa-tarubyaś ca kṛpā-sindhubhya eva ca patitānāṁ pāvanebhyo vaiṣṇavebhyo namo namaḥ

[I offer praṇāmas unto the Vaiṣṇavas, who are just like wish-fulfilling desire trees, who are an ocean of mercy, and who deliver the fallen, conditioned souls. (Śrī Gauḍīya Gīti-guccha: Śrī Vaiṣṇava vandanā)]

namo mahā-vadānyāya kṛṣṇa-prema-pradāya te 

kṛṣṇāya kṛṣṇa-caitanya-nāmne gaura-tviṣe namaḥ

[I offer praṇāma unto Śrī Kṛsṇa-Caitanya, who is Śrī Kṛṣṇa Himself. Having assumed the golden hue of Śrīmatī Rādhikā, He is munificently bestowing kṛṣṇa-prema, the rarest of all gifts. (Śrī Gauḍīya Gīti-guccha: Śrīman Mahāprabhu vandanā)]

gurave gauracandrāya rādhikāyai tadālaye kṛṣṇāya kṛṣṇa-bhaktāya tad-bhaktāya namo namaḥ

[I offer my obeisances time and again unto Śrī Guru, Śrī Gauracandra, Śrīmatī Rādhikā, Her associates and Her abode Śrī Vāndāvana Dhāma, and unto Śrī Kṛṣṇa and all of His devotees. (An Unknown Vaiṣṇava — Śrī Ślokāmṛtam (Maṅgalācaraṇa))]

bhaktyā vihīnā aparādha-lakṣaiḥ kṣiptāś ca kāmādi-taraìga-madhye kṛpāmayi tvāṁ śaraṇaṁ prapannā vṛnde numas te caraṇāravindam

[O merciful Vṛndā-devi, being devoid of devotion and guilty of unlimited offenses, I am being tossed about in the ocean of material existence by the turbulent waves of lust, anger, greed and other inauspicious impediments. Therefore, I take shelter of you as I offer praṇama unto your lotus feet. (Śrī Vāndā Devy-aṣṭakam (8), Śrīla Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura)]

yaṁ pravrajantam anupetam apeta-kṛtyaṁ dvaipāyano viraha-kātara ājuhāva putreti tan-mayatayā taravo ‘bhinedus taṁ sarva-bhūta-hṛdayaṁ munim ānato ‘smi

[I offer praṇāma to Śrī Śukadeva Gosvāmī, who can enter the hearts of all people. When he left home without undergoing the purificatory processes such as accepting the sacred thread, his father Vyāsa cried out, “O my son!” As if they were absorbed in that same feeling of separation, the trees echoed in response to his call. (Śrīmad Bhāgavatam (1.2.2))]

Śrīla Gurudeva: First of all I am offering my lakhs and lakhs daṇḍavat praṇāmas unto the lotus feet of my Gurudeva, nitya-līlā-praviṣṭa oṁ viṣṇupāda Śrī Śrīmad Bhakti Prajñāna Keśava Gosvāmī Mahārāja. Also, I am offering my daṇḍavat praṇāmas unto the lotus feet of my śikṣā guru Śrīla BhaktivedānHta Svāmī Mahārāja who preached the mission (throughout) the whole world in a very (break audio). By his mercy we can know Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu and His teachings. But nowadays in Vṛndāvana we see that some bābājīs are there and they are telling that Svāmīji or the disciples of Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Gosvāmī Ṭhākura really they don’t have any guru paramparā. These foolish person, very week persons, not knowing any śāstra, they will be bewildered by these things. But if a man who can preach the mission of Caitanya Mahāprabhu (throughout) the whole world in a very little time, he can write so many books, like (indistinct) Caitanya-caritāmṛta, he can publish and explain Śrīmad Bhāgavatam, the books of Rūpa Gosvāmī, Jīva Gosvāmī, how he can be an ordinary person? He was in the line of Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura, Śrīla Prabhupāda, in the line of really Śrī Raghunātha Dāsa Gosvāmī, Rūpa Gosvāmī, Svarūpa Dāmodara, Rāya Rāmānanda, and Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu.

Bābājīs are envious. I don’t know from where they can, where is their guru paramparā. Actually, there is no guru paramparā of these bābājīs, so-called bābājīs. And that is why they are doing some nonsense things to real vaiṣṇavas and guru paramparā. I see that in any epic, Bhāgavata, Gītā, any Purāṇa, even in Upaniṣads, in Vedanta, in Baladeva Vidyābhūṣaṇa’s Govinda-bhāṣya, or in the books of Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura, Narottama Ṭhākura, there is no word bābājī. Never I have seen. You can not see bābājī word. From where this came? But on the other hand we see renounced order sannyāsa. It is written in the Vedas, Śrīmad Bhāgavatam, tridaṇḍi sannyāsa. There is a story of a tridaṇḍi sannyāsī. In all Upaniṣads it has been clearly given the method by which a person can take renounced order, sannyāsa. By saffron cloth and daṇḍa and (unknown) and kaupīna.

There is a Sannyāsa Upaniṣad also. In Gītā also it has been written about sannyāsa. What is a real sannyāsī but never it has been told about bābājī. So, they have no guru paramparā. Nothing anywhere written about that thing. Caitanya Mahāprabhu was not Himself bābājī. Madhvācārya, Rāmānuja, any of them, were not bābājī. We know that Īśvara Purīpāda and Mādhavendra Purī were not bābājīs; they were sannyāsīs. After that Sanātana Gosvāmī, Svarūpa Dāmodara, and Rāya Rāmānanda were not bābājīs. Caitanya Mahāprabhu, when He was in Vārāṇasī, in Kāśī, Sanātana Gosvāmī came in a Muslim beggar shape there. So much beard and very dirty clothes like Mohammedan beggars. But when Caitanya Mahāprabhu met him He at once ran towards him and embraced him. Then He ordered (Sanātana Gosvāmī) to be sacred: to go take bath in Ganges, to shave, and all these things. He came and then Tapana Miśra, the associate of Caitanya Mahāprabhu, wanted to give him new clothes, but he refused it. And he told, if you want to give me clothes then you should give me your old dhoti. And he gave. Then he made his (indistinct) veṣa out of cloth and (unknown) and kaupīna of sannyāsīs. And he took himself no fire sacrifice or anything. And Caitanya Mahāprabhu did not give any mantra for this, nothing. Caitanya Mahāprabhu, at that time, was in His red cloth and Sanātana Gosvāmī thought that, “I should be very humble. I should not take the (same) cloth as Caitanya Mahāprabhu.” He had so much (indistinct) that sannyāsī cloth and daṇḍa and everything. So, being a humble person, he took only white dress in very small…that he is not going to take so much (lumbar), khoti, kota, and all other things. (He took) as he required only.

Audience: Minimum.

Śrīla Gurudeva: Minimum. Only this. To minimize he took that veṣa. Caitanya Mahāprabhu, it is not written anywhere that He took gopī bhāva. That you gopī, you are Lalitā, you are Viśākhā, and I am giving you 11 kinds of moods. Your name is Lalitā, you are an inhabitant of Varṣāṇā, your birthplace is Varṣāṇā, you are married to any Abhimanyu gopa, and your dress is this, and you are (indistinct) dāsī from today. Never He gave anything. These things are not even written anywhere.

Rūpa Gosvāmī has he taken anything from anyone? Nothing. He was like ordinary, in white dress. He has taken (indistinct) and kaupīna or not? It is not written anywhere. About Jīva Gosvāmī: he was Jīva Gosvāmī not Jīva bābājī. Kṛṣṇadāsa Kavirāja Gosvāmī his older name from gṛhastha, Śyāmānanda prabhu, Narottama Ṭhākura, and Śrīvāsa, (indistinct), never bābājī. Anywhere not written and by this line that, “You are gopī and what gopī.” Also, Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura to end he was Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura, a householder name, Cakravartī. This is the title of gṛhastha vaiṣṇava brāhmaṇas. Also, Baladeva Vidyābhūṣaṇa, not bābājī. So, we see that there is no word bābājī but it was used for old persons in villages. Like someone used to tell Sanātana Gosvāmī, “Oh! You are a great bābājī!”

So, not like this anyone coming from, he has not left worldly desires, he is not renounced, and he has not known all the vaiṣṇava established truths. He is engaged in worldly four things: eating, sleeping, fearing, and mating. Also, involved in three (indistinct) and anyone comes at once bābājī used to give him, “Oh, you are Lalitā, you are Viśākhā.” This is the root of all evils. Anywhere it is not written like this.

So, there is no guru paramparā of these bābājīs and that is why they tell gauḍīya vaiṣṇava from origin. From Brahmā to Nārada, Vyāsa, Śukadeva Gosvāmī, Madhvācārya and his paramparā and then Mādhavendra Purī, Īśvara Purī, Caitanya Mahāprabhu, Rūpa-Sanātana, Jīva, Ragunātha, Kṛṣṇadāsa Kavirāja Gosvāmī, Narottama Ṭhākura, Śyāmānanda, and after that Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura. This is line. We have gauḍīya guru paramparā. Someone can raise anything about Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura. Who was his guru? He accepted (unknown), no harm, but his śikṣā bhāgavata paramparā guru was Jagannātha dāsa Babaji Mahārāja. Śikṣā guru is not less that any dīkṣā guru. Sometimes he may be more than dīkṣā guru. Like we accept Caitanya Mahāprabhu, Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa, and Rūpa Gosvāmī (as) our śikṣā guru. Like Kṛṣṇadāsa Kavirāja Gosvāmī has accepted six śikṣā gurus.

(indistinct verse)

So, there should be no doubt about all these things. So, sometimes śikṣā may be more, more superior than dīkṣā guru. I know I have so much faith and belief in my Gurudeva but I know that Rūpa Gosvāmī is guru of my Gurudeva. Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Gosvāmī, though he is our jagad-guru but he always considered Rūpa Gosvāmī and Śrīmati Rādhikā his śikṣā guru.

You know (indistinct)? This śloka? Bilvamaṅgala Ṭhākura has prayed in his book, Kṛṣṇa (Karanamrta), that śikṣā guru is Kṛṣṇa Himself, Nanda-nanda. (indistinct). Keeping black feathers here and bouncing in his lips. So, his guru, who was his guru? (unknown). But he preferred his Gurudeva, śikṣā guru, Kṛṣṇa. He can respect his Gurudeva but he respected more superior his śikṣā guru.

So, we should not forget all these things.

Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura has guru who was (unknown) (and he) has written in Śrī Caitanya-caritāmṛta explanation but his śikṣā guru and bhāgavata paramparā guru was Jagannātha dāsa Babaji Mahārāja, no harm. Jagannātha Babaji has his disciplic guru paramparā. Śrīla Prabhupāda has accepted Śrīla Gaurakiśora Dāsa Bābājī Mahārāja. Undoubtedly he was a pure vaiṣṇava. Not only that but he was a mahā-bhāgavata.

Can you tell who was guru of Haridāsa Ṭhākur? No need. If any Brahmā or Prahlāda Mahārāja is coming in the shape of Caitanya Mahāprabhu associates they don’t need anything. We should accept without any doubt. Can you tell who was the guru of Svarūpa Dāmodara? Who was the guru of Śrīvāsa paṇḍita? Śrīvāsa paṇḍita was like Nārada, Murāri Gupta was Hanumān, maybe he was initiated by others but Caitanya Mahāprabhu accepted all. So, there is no any…we don’t know (who was their guru) but we accept them (as bona fide). So, we should not have any doubt about Svāmīji that he has no guru paramparā, Bhaktivedānta Svāmī Mahārāja, Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī his guru was Śrīla Gaurakiśora Dāsa Bābājī Mahārāja, you know, and his śikṣā guru who was? Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura. He has taken all these things, all siddhāntas and moods from Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura. If there is no guru of Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura yet he is (still) vaiṣṇava. Like Haridāsa Ṭhākur and others. But he has.

So, we have no any doubt about this. If anyone has doubt they will lose their bhakti and they will go to hell. All bābājīs are like that. They are very jealous and that is why they are telling. From where it began I don’t know. Can any bābājī of Vṛndāvana, Rādhā-kuṇḍa, they can tell that from here it begins bābājī veṣa? They can not tell. But they can tell very easily that, “Gauḍīya vaiṣṇava has no paramparā.” And the bogus persons shaking but like pendulum, rejected by gauḍīya vaiṣṇavas, debauchee, having so much lust, rejected by gauḍīya vaiṣṇavas they go and become bābājī. So, you should be very strong in this thing. Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura, Prabhupāda, and Svāmīji, and we don’t want to criticize them, there rules and regulations, keeping bābājī veṣa. What we criticize is their mood. Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura is telling in Jaiva-Dharma…

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Śrīla Gurudeva: (indistinct) …bhāgavata paramparā. Without bhāgavata paramparā guru paramparā is nothing.

Audience: You may explain what is bhāgavata paramparā?

Śrīla Gurudeva: You should tell.

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Śrīla Gurudeva: …or Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura or anyone has not criticized about that veṣa. Taking (unknown) and kaupīna. Like accepting that we are following gopīs. We criticize, Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura, Śrīla Prabhupāda, Rūpa Gosvāmī, and all have criticized that a newcomer person who comes he does not know anything, something, quarreling with his wife, or his wife has divorced him. And he has no means to support his life and anyhow he comes and sees that only this life if I will take bābājī veṣa then everything will be solved. Also, I may have two, three, four, five, widows also. No harm. And we will be then equipped with all the things which are necessary for worldly life. Even they don’t have any symptom of renunciation, they are too attached to worldly things. Even they are so lusty. There is no established truth. They don’t know anything about this. They don’t know what is bhakti, who is Kṛṣṇa, what is bhakti, what is bhakti rāsa. They don’t know even which are gopīs. Nothing.

Also, I am reading from Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura, they have no śuddha-bhakti to Kṛṣṇa. They are always engaged in asat-sanga, viṣayī-sanga, association of sense gratifiers. They are also having envy. But even if we go to Rādhā-kuṇḍa and Vṛndāvana they will take only 25 piasa. This (is) nothing. They will take and they will think they are making guru paramparā. And at once, without delay, because they will think that he will go to other bābājī, and he will make disciple. So, he at once give up their hair and he will give them (unknown) and kaupīna and thus at once gopī mood. That you are Lalitā, you are Rūpa-mañjarī, you are mañjarī. This is not correct method. First we should try to obey all the rules and regulations being in gṛhastha. Then we become detached from worldly affairs, totally. And coming in vaiṣṇava sādhu sanga then śrāddha and then, with śrāddha, again sādhu sanga and then after sādhu sanga he will understand the need of sad-guru and he will inquire and search for a very good and qualified guru. And then he will take initiation and he will take śikṣā from him. He he will serve Gurudeva in a beautiful way like friends.

visvambena guror seva

And he will offer totally to Gurudeva. And after so many days, so many years, he will be qualified in all kinds of bhakti siddhānta, established truths. He will know Bhakti-sandarbha and all Śrīmad Bhāgavatam and then he will be qualified and then he will come to the stage of niṣṭha. And after completing the course of niṣṭha, when he will be naturally niṣṭha, then ruci will come automatically. When ruci will come it will come first on bhajana, chanting and remembering and all these things. So, it is also of two kinds. When aśakti will come it is also of two kinds. First it will come aśakti in chanting and remembering and it will be now again turn into aśakti towards bhajanir, that is Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa conjugal, or Caitanya Mahāprabhu. And then he will be qualified to take this veṣa, (unknown) and kaupīna. And 11 moods can come at that stage and guru will help him in taking (indistinct) what is your siddha-deha. In that very stage. Not before this. If before this any giving him siddha-deha then he will go to hell, certainly. So, in this stage Gurudeva tells him that you are so and so, your siddha name is this. Not outwardly he does anything like Svarūpa Dāmodara and Caitanya Mahāprabhu told all these things to Rādhā-kuṇḍa when he came and he was so much learned in all kinds of bhakti and you know how he was renounced? He used to take the rotten remnants of Jagannātha-deva, not even taken by cows, rejected by cows. So, we should be qualified like this and then we will be qualified for 11 kinds of moods and then our siddha-deha we can, by siddha-deha, we can serve 24 hours (a day). This is (the) real method and this is siddha praṇāli. Not that anyone is coming and, what I told (earlier), not qualified, just today coming and, “Oh! You are Lalitā gopī, you are this and that. You are the daughter of (unknown) Mahārāja and you are married to Jāvaṭa and your place is in Rādhā-kuṇḍa and you are so beautiful. More (beautiful than) Mohinī. And you are (indistinct) and you have so much (indistinct).” And given now all these things he becomes (indistinct) he takes a nose ring, making (indistinct) here, wearing the ornament of ladies. Some ankle bells on their feet and they become a gopī. We don’t follow these things. And in these lies he will be with so many widows in India and they will have children.

So, this is not real method and siddha praṇāli. So, Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura is giving, and Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī has given, this siddha praṇāli and in Caitanya-caritāmṛta they have given this bona fide siddha praṇāli. But we can not follow in this stage. We will have to remember all our anarthas, aparādhas, and there should be āsakti, there should be very, very (deep) attachment to chanting, remembering, and all kinds of offenses have gone away and then Gurudeva will kindly, mercifully, he will accept his has his disciple and he will give the identification of his siddha. We have all, we have all siddha-deha but it is hidden by māyā in this material and my (subtle) body. But it is there. But who will know? If outer (externally) you are having puruṣa bhāva but hiding this, being a female, and you will associate with other ladies then what will be? So, he must go to hell, and they are going. There is no guru paramparā of these vaiṣṇavas. So, we should try to be very bona fide in this and very strong. Have they written any book? All bābājīs? Never. They don’t know what is all these things.

Once our Guruji was in Vṛndāvana with 400 people and he was doing Vraja-maṇḍala parikramā. He invited so many bābājīs, about 400 bābājīs came, gathered there…

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Śrīla Gurudeva: (audio file begins in middle of sentence…)

…all the bābājīs, “What is the aim and object of your sādhana and bhajana?”

They told that, “We want to be liberated and even we want to (indistinct) brahma and we want to become brahma.” Even they don’t know māyāvāda what is māyāvāda, against bhakti. Then guru Mahārāja was very, very…

Audience: Bold.

Śrīla Gurudeva: …angry and he began to cut their all kinds of arguments. So, we should know that our guru paramparā is bona fide. Don’t associate with bābājī. You can associate if you are so strong like us. I used to go to, in parikramā, to Rādhā-kuṇḍa and challenge them (I used to say) that, “If you are learned, you know anything, then come and discuss all these things. If I am defeated I will be bābājī and I will be your disciple. Otherwise you should be my disciple.” Neither anyone can come and answer.

So, you should think that we are in a very good paramparā, bona fide paramparā. Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura is telling that…you should also…have you read Jaiva-Dharma? You should try to read it very carefully. There were two persons, Vijaya Kumara and Brajanātha. They, at first, accepted guru as Vaiṣṇava dāsa, in Māyāpur, and they learned all kinds of (indistinct) and everything, 64 kinds of (indistinct) and everything. They were now expert in bhakti and then their guru sent them to Vṛndāvana…um…

Audience: …Jagannātha Purī…

Śrīla Gurudeva: …Jagannātha Purī and they met with Gopāla Guru and there they learned what is bhakti and what is bhakti rāsa. Who is Kṛṣṇa? Who is Śrīmati Rādhikā and who are the gopīs? And what is, how can bhakti turn into bhakti rāsa? They became so perfect in all these things. And after that Gopāla Guru gave them these things; (indistinct) moods and the (indistinct) and kaupīna. This is siddha praṇāli.

What bābājīs are doing now? They are doing nonsense. Not in siddha praṇāli. They should first learn:

tṛṇād api su-nīcena taror via sahiṣṇunā amāninā māna-dena kīrtanīyaḥ sadā hariḥ

["One who thinks himself lover than the grass, who is more tolerant than a tree, and who does not expect personal honor yet is always prepared to give all respect to others can very easily always chant the hold name of the Lord" Ādi 17.3, Antya 6.239, Antya 20.21)]

They should be like this. Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura is telling here. We see nowadays, have you Jaiva-Dharma?

Audience: Not with me, no.

Śrīla Gurudeva: Acchā. He is telling that, now we can see in Vṛndāvana that they have left their homes in childhood and they come to Vṛndāvana and Rādhā-kuṇḍa, having so much lust in their hearts, knowing nothing about bhakti, they are ignorant of all these things, they come to Vṛndāvana, Rādhā-kuṇḍa, and they take this siddha praṇāli…not siddha…asiddha praṇāli. What is asiddha?

Audience: Imperfect.

Śrīla Gurudeva: Bābājī veṣa. And become bābājī and if you tell, “Who are you? What is your name? Oh, my name is Lalitā devī.”

“Oh, you are Lalitā devī?”

They try to hide their male organs. And they try to show that they are gopī. Whether they are not but in beginning they don’t know how to wash their hands and (indistinct) and other things, but they become Lalitā devī? Then they will certainly want any Kṛṣṇa then they search so many gopīs and thus they go to hell. This is not siddha praṇāli Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura is telling, so they must be qualified. A guru should think first to whom they are going to give this bābājī veṣa (indistinct) and kaupīna. Whether he is qualified for this or not. They should see whether they attend (indistinct)…means?

Audience: Controlling the mind, controlling the senses.

Śrīla Gurudeva: Controlling mind and this body senses also. They have given up (indistinct) attraction or not? They have given up the (indistinct) of jihvā.

Audience: Attachment of the tongue.

Śrīla Gurudeva: Attachment of the tongue. What is that? To take very bitter things, to take cigarette, to take wine, to take, not all these things, but very attracted to ganja and bong and drugs. This will lead certainly to hell. Everywhere, in Upadeśāmṛta, Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura, Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī has told that someone thinks, like an Indian, some yogis, that it will help to take ganja, bong, cigarette. They don’t take cigarette but ganja and bong. And they think that now we are absorbed in Kṛṣṇa prema. But they are so foolish that they can not imagine that they are going to be (indistinct) like dogs and hogs. Anywhere in the books of Rūpa Gosvāmī or Caitanya-Caritāmṛta or in the books of Jīva Gosvāmī, even in Śrīmad Bhāgavatam, it has been told…what? A śloka:

(utan, padan…catur-vidhāḥ).

We should try to avoid, first coming to gurudeva, or before coming to gurudeva, in gṛhastha life. We should control four things. Basic principles. These are not bhakti but yet they will take us to the door of bhakti. Four: utan means gambling. panam

Audience: Intoxication.

Śrīla Gurudeva: You can read. Panam. Cigarette. Even cigarette. Bidi. Tobacco. And the masala of tobacco and it’s supporters, like ganja is given in them, marijuana and all other things. They will bring lust surely. In a day or two or anything. Their intelligence will go away. They will go out of bhakti root. That is surely. So, all of Śrīmad Bhāgavatam, in the first canto, Śrīla Śukadeva Gosvāmī prohibited, for all kinds of devotees, don’t touch it, all these things. So, don’t think that they will add something helpful. Like some think like this.

In India, some vaiṣṇavas of Ramanandi they take opium, ganja, pan, and chillum, very big chillum, water pipe. And the flame of their water pipe goes so high and that means they are considered to be a very high class of vaiṣṇava. They become naked and quarrel with each other. Very dangerous tamasic (ignorant). So, we should try to avoid. This is maha-maha…

Audience: Hideous offense.

Śrīla Gurudeva: Offense. Offense no…poison…like this. So, we should try to give up all these things and then, if you have any desire for making money, for sense gratification, then he should not be given bābājī veṣa. What I told. Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura is telling, Rūpa Gosvāmī is telling in Upadeśāmṛta, jihvā vegam. If anyone giving in this stage then it is not siddha praṇāli; it is the praṇāli way to go to hell. So, we should try to be very strong in our guru paramparā. Our guru paramparā is right but their guru paramparā is not right, artificial. Only from one hundred years their so-called siddha praṇāli has come. But our real siddha praṇāli has come from Vedas, Upaniṣads. We see that Śańkara is giving siddha praṇāli to (indistinct) and Nārada is giving to another. This is siddha praṇāli. We accept this. But in a right way, in right process, and in the right time. If anyone is doing, Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura is telling…you should do.

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Śrīla Gurudeva: In Vṛndāvana there are groups like this, that, Bhaktisiddhānta has no siddha praṇāli, no guru paramparā. Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura, likewise, no guru paramparā. We should think about this very deeply and carefully. Who was the guru of Parīkṣit Mahārāja? Can anyone tell? We know that he may be in worldly guru, he could have a family guru like (indistinct) or others. But he heard Śrīmad Bhāgavatam from a bona fide vaiṣṇava, Śukadeva Gosvāmī, renounced, detached from worldly desires, quite free. And Śukadeva Gosvāmī had been given everything from his father and guru Śrīla Vyāsadeva. He heard it, Śrīmad Bhāgavatam, and as a result of hearing Śrīmad Bhāgavatam, even not practicing, he directly to Goloka Vṛndāvana. And, Śrīla Sanātana Gosvāmī has told, that he came in the shape of any gopī to serve conjugal. This is the process.

There are two processes, Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura and Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura, they are bona fide disciples of Śrīla Gaurakiśora Dāsa Bābājī Mahārāja and his guru. Someone may say that, “Where is siddha praṇāli? Has he not heard all these things from his śikṣā guru and father Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura?” So, there are two processes. One process, if he is qualified in all these things, like Vijaya Kumara in Jaiva-Dharma, or Śrīmad Bhāgavatam, Parīkṣit Mahārāja is qualified, then he can minimize his dress and he can take himself (indistinct) or kaupīna. No harm. Like Rāmānuja took initiation from his guru, a guru of low caste, but he was a disciple of Yāmunācārya. He was not māyāvādī. Then he wanted to take renounced order from his Gurudeva Yāmunācārya. When he reached to (indistinct) he saw that his guru has left this world and his material body was coming. He saw that his three fingers were like this. Why? He asked some other disciples of Yāmunācārya but they could not answer. Then he promised, “I will take sannyāsa here from him, just now I am taking.” And he took (sannyāsa) and his one finger came like this (relaxed). And then he promised that, “I will make a commentary on vedanta.” Two (fingers) came (relaxed). And the he promised that, “I will preach (indistinct) and I will write so many bhakti books.” Three (fingers) came (relaxed). Then he accepted Yāmunācārya as his guru. He thought that my Gurudeva never died, he is eternal. It is illusory māyā that a body seems like he is dead. But guru, bona fide guru, qualified guru, never dies. So, you think that your Prabhupāda, Bhaktivedānta Svāmī, has never died. Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura never died.

Any disciple or guru who is qualified, they will never die. I think that you also will not die, you will change your body like cloth. You are eternal.

So, Rāmānuja took sannyāsa there, his (indistinct) kaupīna and daṇḍa after his departure from this world. Why Prabhupāda can not take renounced order from Gaurakiśora Dāsa Bābājī Mahārāja, eternal but he had disappeared at that time. Why he can not take? And he took ekas moods, these eleven moods, siddha deha, siddha praṇāli from Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura. It is not wrong. It is in line of guru paramparā. Anyone can not deny. If we can deny, Śukadeva Gosvāmī, Sanātana Gosvāmī, Rūpa Gosvāmī, Vyāsadeva, Rāmānuja, Madhvācārya, then we can deny Śrīla Prabhupāda. He was so bold. He was jagad-guru. He has brought a revolution in bhakti cult. He has reformed all these things. So, he is certainly in guru paramparā. Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura took everything from Jagannātha dāsa Babaji Mahārāja ekas moods and that is why he has written in this. This is siddha praṇāli. But being so much qualified, being free from all kinds of anarthas then it will come automatically from the upside. It will descend in the heart of pure devotees in the stage of bhāva. So, before taking this bhāva coming and we are going to imitate “I am gopī. I am in siddha praṇāli.” And you will see that his Gurudeva is making so much lust with other devotees, female devotees. So, we should not be (indistinct) these things.

I know so many, those who left Svāmīji, Bhaktivedānta Svāmīji, and went to bābājī, and they again returned to their lust and they took so many mātājīs, here and there, and they left everything. Now they are drinking, making babies, they are taking drugs, and everything. Someone has died. They have committed suicide. I know all. And in this line fifty-four years, serving all the main disciples of Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura, I am associating with all. So, I know so many things that so many devotees they don’t know all these things.

So, you must be very strong; that Svāmījī has guru paramparā: Śrīla Prabhupāda, Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura, Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura, has real guru paramparā. You should not be bewildered. If you are bewildered you will have to take your bad fruits.

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Śrīla Gurudeva: …will not do anything. Never. You are reading śāstra, you are reading (indistinct) and you are learning Sanskrit (indistinct), (indistinct), and (indistinct). It will not do. Nowadays there is going on line like this.

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In Caitanya-bhāgavata it has been written. You know that how learned was (indistinct) but he was touched by bhakti at all. He was defeated at once by Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. And Caitanya Mahāprabhu told that, “The reading of śāstra does not tend to give up bhakti practice. You should know…

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